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Calvin, Luther, Wesley,Spurgeon and other dead white guys

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Ran the Man, Feb 22, 2019.

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  1. Ran the Man

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    Who were they? Were they apostles? Were they students of the Apostles? Did they live in the 1st century? Can they trace their lineage to the Apostles? What is their authority?
    Why do we give more credence to what they say than to the church fathers who sat at the feet of the Apostles?
    The western church has so much blood on it's hands, it's time for another reformation, away from the so called Reformation, which is a blasphemy anyway. How can you Reform or make again what God made once and for all, The Church?
    These guys are not the heroes we think they are.
     
    #1 Ran the Man, Feb 22, 2019
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    Was Luther Anti-Semitic?

    "“Set fire to their synagogues or schools,” Martin Luther recommended in On the Jews and Their Lies. Jewish houses should “be razed and destroyed,” and Jewish “prayer books and Talmudic writings, in which such idolatry, lies, cursing, and blasphemy are taught, [should] be taken from them.” In addition, “their rabbis [should] be forbidden to teach on pain of loss of life and limb.” Still, this wasn’t enough.

    Luther also urged that “safe-conduct on the highways be abolished completely for the Jews,” and that “all cash and treasure of silver and gold be taken from them.” What Jews coulddo was to have “a flail, an ax, a hoe, a spade” put into their hands so “young, strong Jews and Jewesses” could “earn their bread in the sweat of their brow.”

    These fierce comments have puzzled and embarrassed Christians who otherwise admire the Reformer. And they have led to charges that Luther was “one of the ‘church fathers’ of anti-Semitism.” More seriously, Luther’s attacks have been seen as paving the way for Hitler."
     
    #2 Wesley Briggman, Feb 22, 2019
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    Excellent post.
     
    #3 Ran the Man, Feb 22, 2019
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