Calvinism the religous dictation of it

Hi everyone
To me to be a Calvinist is to be prideful in your own intellect.To think that because one can claim to understand something so complicated makes one somehow more important than the rest.
To deny growth is necessary, is just plain ignorant.Calvinist believe that they are elected and they can sin all they want. It doesn't make any difference because, after they are elected they can't loose there salvation.They are saved without any decision on there part denying God of real love.Then they place him in a box and say that He can't kick you out.
Calvinism is believed a way to heaven with out having to do anything.Am I wrong?.Calvinist can hold on to unforgiveness because they over look Mathew 18. Calvinist insist that God is a dictator and we will be saved because it is God's will weather we want it or not.Calvinist deny the intelligence of God.Calvinist deny Him willful love.Calvinism is an interpretation by man.

God's word interprets it self and doesn't need mans point of view.It stands on it's own and it bears fruit without the help of John Calvin or Augustine or anyother so called great men.

Why do we have the intellectual ideas produced by John Calvin and others.It's because we want our ears tickled by men and do not wish to hear the Gospel.God's word does not give the sinner what he wants to hear.What it says, hurts the sinner, it cuts him to the quick.It's painful to read on our own, because we see truth in it.I have never seen much of anything that resembles truth in man or Calvinism.If God were to make Salvation so complicated to understand then there would only be Calvinist in heaven.Actually that isn't entirely true because they don't understand it either.It just sounds good to them.

Doesn't this sound hateful? It sounds critical doesn't it?.This whole post is to show you that if I want to enrage you I can.And those who would post such a thing is trying to dominate you in to believing as they do.First they take what you believe and trash it and do there best to make you feel all alone.Then 3 or 4 will start criticizing you making you feel all the more alone in your beliefs,Then you start to question your own faith which is what they want.Because when you start questioning your own faith then they have you right where they want you. The JW's use the same methods.They want to make sure if they can't completely brainwash you to there view they will at the very least confuse you in your own beliefs and cause doubt.IMO Calvinism is in the same catagory as communism in that we are not allowed to think on our own.We are not allowed to choose to Love God. We are made to love Him.Calvinism is just like the Catholic doctrine.It's forced on you and you have no choice.Am I wrong???????? Then prove it!
Romanbear

 

Hi Npetreley;
Since I've been here all I've seen from Calvinist side is sarcasm and pride.Only two maybe three have not let the call of sarcasm come from there post.If it's a way to take out your frustrations on others then I would suggest that you think about how you look to someone who might be interested in what you are saying.Yes I'm guilty of the same, sure I can be sarcastic.Honestly what do you think of me when I am.
I disagree with Calvinism completely.mostly because I don't want the stigma that comes from being associated with anything that is Catholic. and most assurredly that it is a misguiding doctrine. This includes Luther.I'm not a protestant.You have to belong to something before you can protest it.I have nothing but disrespect for the Catholic doctrine none of it is true it's all a lie.Catholic doctrine has no fruit.Why?Because you can't get good fruit from a corrupt tree.Your mentor, turned his back on the protestants and helped one of his children to get accepted in to a convent to become a Nun.Why? because he wasn't man enough to take care of her himself.Was John Calvin even a Christian I don't know, God does.His doctrine to me is nothing more than a fabrication put together to over throw the Pope.In fact It's my belief that he had hopes of taking the Popes seat.It's been argued to the point of no return that it is not a Biblical doctrine never was or is.It's been supposed that I'm Arminian. I'm not. Jacobus Arminus was also a Catholic priest while some of his beliefs are similar to mine I do not follow his teaching.I follow that of Jesus Christ.I do not believe in works for salvation and those who would accuse me of this will have to pay for it someday.How ever I do works because it is the will of my Father in Heaven. And just as He has never been neglectful. How can I be that way to Him.I love Him above all else.I accepted Christ as my savior.I may have been drawn but I didn't have to accept it.I didn't for the first 16 years of my life and I felt the draw of the Holy spirit every time I heard the gospel preached every Sunday, Wednesday, and Saturday youth meetings.My parents took us to Church everytime it was open for something.I could recite many verses of the Bible but I did not believe.John Calvin Cannot tell me there is such a thing as irresistible grace because it's a lie.It wasn't until I surrendered my rebellion and my sin that I was saved.I tell you all this not because I'm proud but because I'm ashamed of the fact that I wasted all those 16 years for nothing but rebellion.Rebellion is talked about in the Bible it exists get over it and admit that you will never get to Heaven anyother way except through Jesus Christ one who when he draws you. You will have to accept or you will die.Nothing depresses me more than to fail to tell someone about the Love of my Savior.How He died for my sins and suffered for my rebellion to believe.The reason I post here is not because of Ego or to win a battle in debate.I really came here to plant the seed of the gospel among those who have like my self overlooked it pushed it aside and rebelled against it all for the sake of being like some men.
Be Christ Like He is my only only mentor
Romanbear

 

Hy Tyndale;
A quote from you;
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We Primitive Baptist serve God out of reverence and fear but not the fear he can wipe me out at anytime...
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My reply;
Coming from one who claims to believe in the power of God and then says to God you can't wipe me out!. Is treading on dangerous ground.What IMO you fail to realize is that God has no contract with Gentiles.Yes we are grafted in and as long as we are in we are adopted by Him and benefit from the same promises that the Jews have in that we are
righteous in His site but, what He wants!. I wouldn't be so bold as to tell God what He can or Cannot do. Just what He clearly says He will do in Mathew 18:22-35.We fear God because of His awesome Power and glory.What other fear is there.
I know first hand of My Lords correction he has corrected me more times than even I want to admit.He has came after me when I have strayed.Pleading with me to turn around.Everytime he has corrected me He has done so with Love that was apparent, that was visible from my own vision.So I wouldn't rebell.Why do you think He warned us not to boast against the Jews?Why do you discard what Christ him self said for that of what Paul said.We don't get our reward until we are raptured or resurrected.We still die don't we.Because its appointed to man once to die but after this?I'll let you answer.
Romanbear

 

Hi Rev G;
A quote from you;
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You make a number of faulty statements, particulary those dealing with the issue of "freedom to sin." The large majority of those who hold Reformed views hold to "Lordship Salvation" (for lack of a better term).
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My Reply;
What do you say to one who is not reformed from your kind of theology.
I'm not, nor have ever been part of the Catholic Church to be reformed of.
The Catholic Church was not and is not the oldest form of Christianity.I'm that kind of Christian that the Catholic Church has been trying to get rid of since it's beginning.I'm that God fearing Christian that is bold enough to say that my doctrine doesn't come from man but God's word.God's word interprets it self why do I need some priest or Pastor to explain it to me .Can't I think for myself can't I read God's word and pray for understanding.Why do people dislike Bereans Acts 17:11
Romanbear

 

Hi Frogman;
You are one of the few that claim calvinism who haven't ("towards me") used sarcasm's in your post and I respect that.I can see you have confidence in your own doctrine.
I read your post to see what you have to say with that respect.But Just as respectfully we cannot discard Mathew 18:22-35 or
Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

So what do we have, is it a contradiction?Or simply a misunderstanding.If the latter on who's part?.

If we could throw these out you'd be persuasive, but we can't just ignore them. Claim they mean something else.To Say God has no power to kick us out from his own is having no Fear Of God.Fear Is that which gives us the motovation to study Him to get to know Him.And most of all to Love Him.Some say you can't love some one you fear but this isn't so. When I was a child I feared my parents because I respected there authority.I still Loved them .Actually I still fear them just as I love them.Quite a statement for an old man but In my experince it's true.

Romanbear

 

Hi P.B.
I don't believe that debate is the learning tool you might suggest.I've seen people give up and walk away never to enter another debate because they realize that it's about Ego and who's winning more than truth.Debate is about pride when sarcasm enters.I'm trully sorry that you won't see the truth of what I'm saying.But only see sarcasm as a tool the drive off truth you can't face.
Romanbear

 

Hi Npetreley;
I know nothing I say would change your mind.I just keep casting that seed your way on purpose.You see God can Change hard ground to good ground.And you never know someday it might just dig in and start growing.Never the less never let it be said that I didn't at least try by casting it your way.What I said about Calvin was not an accusation it was admitted by him in histories of his protest of the Catholic Church.I just got to ask if you have never studied John Calvin Then how can you claim to be a Calvinist.
Romanbear

 

hi Grasshopper;
actually it isn't.You see, it's not God will make you a Christian. it's will He.Of corse God can do anything He wants. He's God is He not?He is the Supream intelligence the most High the only one who deserves our Love,The creator the master of the universe.Is there anything our God cannot do.I don't believe there is. So why create robot Love when He could have the real thing by giving us choice and sitting back to see what man would do with it would all choose to go to hell.or would they after being presented with the facts of eternal life choose love and the life everlasting in peaceful bliss.Which would you choose? No kungfoo allowed!after all I am an old man.Not by any means a master.
Romanbear

 

Hi hardseller
Aren't you curious enough to want to know the roots of a doctrine.What it was originally like in the beginning how it has changed.It has changed if I read what Calvin says compared to what I read hear at B.B. com.Some who claim to be Calvinist don't really know what it really is everyone just take others word for it.I'm a Christian I study to know just what my faith is suppose to be.Shouldn't we all.Or are we to just sit back and take other peoples word for it. With out trying to sound sarcastic don't you think that this putting your faith in man,rather than Jesus Christ.
Pro 16:25 There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

I'm not saying your on a path that leads to death.Only that you should becareful.Men's hearts are full of deceit.Do you really believe that southern Baptist are all Calvinist.When most don't even know what it is.

Romanbear