Calvinism - TULIP - "U"nconditional Election

[Rippon]

Rip, you're still pulling from "Satan's dictionary," bro.

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This was said by Sir SP in response to my question:"Don't you believe that the Bible itself often refers to the Elect?" SP is under the impression that the word is from Satan's Dictionary! How much longer are these kinds of comments going to be allowed to pass muster on the BB? Many non-Cals would also recoil with those kinds of remarks that are so characteristic of the man who enjoins the Calvinists among us to get with the program.

SP, you are pathetic.

 

[Jarthur001]

Many non-Cals would also recoil with those kinds of remarks that are so characteristic of the man who enjoins the Calvinists among us to get with the program.

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The non Cals should say something....but do not hold your breath.

 

[webdog]

Don't you believe that the Bible itself often refers to the Elect? It is not a Calvinistic construct.So, in your mind the Elect are "a nebulous group"?!Is the biblical teaching concerning the Elect and Election also nebulous?!The answer from a true believer is "Of course not!"The Elect are from among Jews and Gentiles alike -- from every nation,tribe and language.Jesus met with a number of Gentiles in His ministry who were, or became saved. ( People don't 'become Elect').

The Bible does refer to the elect. "In my mind" calvinism's definition naturally leads to being "a nebulous group".

Please show me one human (because Scripture does refer to "elect" angels) who was called "elect" that was a gentile.

 

[webdog]

The non Cals should say something....but do not hold your breath.

The non-cal's do not need to, since rippon likes to take comments out of context.

 

[Allan]

The non Cals should say something....but do not hold your breath.

What are we supposed to say .. he does the same us

 

[Bro. James]

The battle between Jon Chauvin and Jacobus Arminius continues to rage. What was the teaching before they passed through this world? The faith and practice has been in the world for 2,000 years.

I am not a Calvinist. I am persuaded that the points of the TULIP acronym will survive the test of the Word of God. Obviously this would preceed Calvin by 1500 years.

A summation of the teaching would be: Totally Depraved man, whose will is enslaved to his sin nature, cannot find savation even if he were to seek it on his own. (T) God in His Grace and Love Chose(U) to save and keep a group of sinners for His Glory and Purpose, even though they all deserve eternal damnation.(L) He convicts thems of their inability to save themselves and calls them out whenever and however He chooses. When God calls you, you do not run away.(I) When He saves, you do not get lost again. (P)

As Jesus died, He said: "IT IS FINISHED"--God's children were redeemed, in fact--their names had been written in The Book of Life from before the foundation of the world.
This is so simple--a little child can understand.

What does any of this have to do with 16th century defrocked Romish priests?

Selah,

Bro. James

 

[Rippon]

The non-cal's do not need to, since rippon likes to take comments out of context.

Get specific. Where have I taken something out of context?

 

[Rippon]

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The Bible does refer to the elect. "In my mind" calvinism's definition naturally leads to being "a nebulous group".

Rip: I think your "nebulous group" charge is rather nebulous itself.Can you please elaborate as to what you mean. Be clear.

Please show me one human (because Scripture does refer to "elect" angels) who was called "elect" that was a gentile.

Do you think only Jews are elect?Do you think that during the ministry of Jesus that only some Jews, and never any Gentiles came to saving faith? The Lord has His own from among the Jews and Gentiles.

Mark 13:22 :"For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect."( see Matt.24:24 also)

The elect in this verse refers ro Jews only?!

Luke 18:7 :"And will not God bring about justice for his chosen ones, who cry out to him day and night? Will he keep putting them off?"

When this verse refers to "his chosen ones", is that to mean only Jews?!

John 6:37 :"All whom the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away."( see verses 39,44 and 65 too )

The ones who are given to Jesus from the Father are not Jews only, are they?! They are elect, but from every nation.

John 10:3 :"The gatekeeper opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen for his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out."

His sheep here are not Jews only, are they?!

John 10:11 :I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.

The sheep here are not only Jews, are they?!

John 10:14,15 : I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me --just as the Father knows me and I know the Father -- and I lay down my life for the sheep.

These sheep who know Jesus and who Jesus also knows -- were not Jews only, were they?!Jesus laid down his very life for the sheep. The sheep for whom He gave His life were not only Jews, were they?!

You can also look at verses 26-29 regarding the same. Of course you must realize that the sheep are the elect -- none other!

The elect are composed of Jews and Gentiles. From among all people groups the Lord has His own.Believe it.