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Paul,

I see three of us so far agree that we cannot return to the glory days. Here is why I think so. It is simple, the takers out-number the makers and with all the illegals coming in it will just grow larger in that direction. Now I am a pessimistic fellow, just ask my wife, but I cannot rule out God intervening and seeing some kind of miracles that leads us back to a healthy moral country again, but I think we are under His judgment.

With so many on welfare and disability and more to come, we will never be able to out vote them to put moral men/women in office. The only way out I think is to see economic collapse and a return to the 1930s with soup lines and worse. If that happens we will see the takers revolt for their monthly right to everyone else's money, but what that will lead to is pure speculation. I don't see a good future for our kids and grandkids. See I am a pessimistic fellow.

 

Options 1 and 4:

It is my firm belief that with the exception of modern technology and the issues of racial and gender equality, the period of American postwar prosperity from 1945 to 1968 is generally superior to that of current society. Besides the superficial aspects of popular culture and fashion, those years featured a genuinely progressive Democratic Party that was working to fulfill the ideals of the New Deal as exemplified in the Second Bill of Rights and a Republican party which if not actively supporting this was at least generally willing to maintain what had been achieved thus far. Unionization rates were at an all-time high while Democrats actively embraced progress and science, being far less infected by New Leftist ideologies that has turned many liberals anti-nuclear and anti-vaccination. Related to this, the Democratic Party fought and campaigned on economic and civil rights issues that affected all Americans rather than petty and divisive social issues based on identity politics which the Republicans have found equally easy to game to their advantage.

Since 2008 there have been encouraging trends that their may be a genuine progressive renaissance in American politics. In addition to the construction of an Obama coalition, the Great Recession has awakened many in American society to the insidious and growing evils of income inequality and the decimation of the American working class. Numerous progressives have been elected to office such as Senator Sanders of Vermont and Senator Warren of Massachusetts with several others running this year. As discussed on other threads in this forum, workers in the service sector are organizing much as their forefathers did in the manufacturing sector a century ago. Hopefully a "National Progressive" coalition will emerge that will de-emphasize social issues and call for an even hand on foreign policy while appealing to middle- and working-class Americans of all races and creeds to follow their economic interest by building on the Affordable Care Act to further strengthen the principle of universal health insurance, shoring up Social Security for future generations, expanding the rights of the American workingman in such areas as his minimum wage, vacation time, and benefits; revitalizing our infrastructure by expanding mass transit, and passenger rail service; renewing our cities through dense urban growth strategies; and achieving energy independence while reducing carbon consumption through ample use of nuclear power and natural gas.

 

I do believe this is why today's Christian needs to cease and desist with the politics because it causes us to lose sight of CHRIST and what HE ACTUALLY HAS commissioned us to do.

Is the purpose of Christ to see a healthy, moral country or to see individual disciples made who may or may not galvanize a movement toward a healthier moral nation?

This country wasn't morally healthy when it was founded because the people weren't. What was hidden has simply been brought into the light.

More moral men/women in office will not make for a more moral country. This is a man -centric fix. If you want to make a more moral country, do it the way of Christ and complete His Commission. Point more folks to Christ and the country will become more Christ-like.

We have indeed lost our way. The only WAY out is THE WAY which is JESUS. Point people to HIM.

 

Do you have any scripture to support your view?

You know we have been called for the purpose of suffering with Christ, no?

See 1Peter 2:20-21

Seems you want to "fix" things so we don't have to pick up our cross and follow Him

 

I will stand by with an oxygen tank in case you are holding your breath waiting for any of the "politics outweigh the Bible" crowd to give you a scriptural response. :thumbsup:

 

I can't answer - I've only got questions.


When exactly were America's "glory days"?

What made them so glorious in your view?

Has the United States ever been "fixed"?

Does God have his hand on America now?

Who's running things?

Rob

 

You beat me to it. RD2 needs to define his terms otherwise it's just another leading question full of innuendo.

Example:

One person might think the glory days were the early 1800's. Pioneers fulfilling Manifest Destiny in striking out and settling the West. Others might say the post Civil War boom in the migration to the cities and the rise of the railroads (and other technology). For others it would be the post WW2 society--prosperous, inventive, the baby boom, the space age.

 

Indeed. If one is African-American, I would bet the 1950s and back would not be seen as too glorious. If one were Japanese-American, I don't think the interment camps of World War II would make them glory days.

 

No WE don't. America never had a way. INDIVIDUALS are lost. INDIVIDUALS will be found.

For all the political talk that's done in "conservative" circles about wanting to make everyone into a group instead of individuals, some sure do adhere to the same thing when it meets their needs.

Does anyone ever wonder that if the church were leading folks to Christ AS ITS FOCUS, would there already be Christ-honoring judges, Supreme Court Justices, Congresses, and Presidents in place leading the country in a Christ-honoring manner?

The FIX is still Jesus. Even more so now than before since we have taken and in a lot of ways still have our eyes off Him.

 

...and if one were Central American some might think we were in the glory days today!

Rob

 

Yes! This is correct.

Absolutely true.

 

I'm the first "No, America can't be fixed" vote.

Why?

Read Revelation.

 

DConn is right. The United States will either not exist, or it will be against Israel. There are no other options. Yes of course pray for her and encourage and vote for Christians and morals. But do not presume that the American way is what Jesus wants preached to cure the world. Our drive is not to fix America, but to preach the Gospel to the poor.

 

Here's my two cents:

As others have already posted, it's difficult for one to determine just what and when the "glory days" for America were---if, in fact, America ever really experienced such an era.

Moreover, I also agree with the concept that ultimately a Christian's main priority ought to be that of bringing glory to God.

However, that being said, I do not find any particular statement in the Bible that roundly condemns a child of God for getting involved in the realm of politics.

If a Christian completely shuns any kind of political activity, what would the ultimate result be? By default, we then would hand it over to those who are led by Satan---something that I don't believe any God-fearing person would want to see occur.

First Timothy 2:1-3 tells us to pray for those in positions of political authority.

Psalm 33:12 states that the nation whose God is the Lord is blessed. If only lost people ought to participate in the political realm, I don't see how God would bless that nation.

Jesus, in Matthew 5:13-14, tells us that we as God's people are to be salt and light, and I don't think He made an exception to this for those who involve themselves in politics.

It's easy for a person to roundly criticize or condemn something such as politics. OTOH, don't you think it'd be much better to try to do something to improve things than to merely point out what's wrong with something?

 

So, you can't have multiple roles in life? One to work for the betterment of your country and also to preach the Gospel? Add on that responsibility to one's family.

 

Seek His righteousness first, and these things shall be added. The focus is always Christ. Betterment of country and family "shall be added". Notice in what order these things should take place.

 

I agree. We need to "fight the good fight" for righteousness, wherever it comes under attack, whether in our legislatures, our courts or the Oval Office and governors' mansions. But the outcome will still be the same. There will just be more of us meeting Christ in the clouds when He calls us out of this world.