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Can Satan be saved?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by J.D., Jun 24, 2007.

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  1. J.D.

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    The bible says "the devils believe and tremble". Does this mean they can be saved?

    (rhetorical question - setting up a discussion)
     
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    Rhetorical question - "A rhetorical question is an illocutionary act that has direct illocutionary force of a question, but is not generally used with the expectation of an answer. It has an indirect illocutionary force of a command, tentative statement, or evaluation."

    Do you want an answer? :laugh:

    I'm just pickin' at you brother! :saint: :wavey:

    :godisgood:
     
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  3. TCGreek

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    In James where that quote is taken from, James is illustrating a faith that doesn't save. So we can speak of dead faith and in this case, demonic faith.

    Besides, it is more clear from other Scriptures that their fate has been already sealed (Matt. 25:41; 2 Pet.2:4; Jude 6).
     
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  4. Scarlett O.

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    ....and Revelation 20:10
     
    #4 Scarlett O., Jun 24, 2007
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    There was a conversation in the background of a game I played about a year ago. It went like this:

    Man 1. "What will they think of next?"
    Man 2. "I have no idea."
    Man 1. "Do you know what a rhetorical question is?"
    Man 2. "No clue."
     
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  6. Tom Butler

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    Let's pose some other questions:

    1. If God's holiness and justice demands that every sin be punished, on what grounds would God save repentant demons?

    2. Would the sins of wicked devils require that a sinless entity take their punishment for them, as Jesus did for humans?

    3. Did Jesus' death on the cross atone for the sins of demons? Or even elect angels, for that matter?

    The scriptures cited in other posts indicate that the answer to the OP is No.
     
    #6 Tom Butler, Jun 24, 2007
  7. npetreley

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    I don't think satan or demons can be saved. Or, perhaps a better way of putting it would be, if God has provided a way of salvation for them, He hasn't shared that information with us. Also, doesn't Rev say satan will be thrown into the lake of fire for eternity?
     
    #7 npetreley, Jun 24, 2007
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    If I understand the OP correctly, it is not asking what will happen, but what can happen. I don't think it's necessarily an idle point, but it compares, perhaps, to an engineer discussing dynamic problems with someone who has never studied calculus, or if Pythagoras could have a long talk with Einstein. Some things are just "set in stone," and they suit us well for our practical applications. But there is far more to it-- 'it' meaning everything possible in the given universe-- than we know on our level.
     
    #8 Alcott, Jun 25, 2007
  9. npetreley

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    Well, in that case, I'm guessing that given all we know, they can be saved. God can do it if He wants to. And He can do it in any way He wants, assuming it is consistent with His character and plan. I'm not sure I get the point of speculating on it, though. There could be a lot of things we don't know about that mean they can or cannot be saved. If it's "cannot" then it cancels out my above assumption.
     
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    No, that simply means that they can "believe in vain" like many around here. :praying:

    skypair
     
    #10 skypair, Jun 25, 2007
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    No. No. No.
     
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  12. J.D.

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    I didn't think rhetorical was the right word, but I couldn't think of any thing else in my haste. But now I have to look up "illocutionary" if I want to know what rhetorical means. Too much work!

    I'll get back to the thread later this evening.
     
    #12 J.D., Jun 25, 2007
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    OK now Iam confused. I thought I knwe what a rhetorical question was, now Im not to sure.

    Bill
     
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    Is the pope catholic?
     
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    I'm sorry everybody. :flower:

    I was just picking around when I put that definition of "rhetorical". I shouldn't have done that.

    Illocutionary means with the intent of the speaker. So that definition would better be stated...."sounds like the intent is to ask a question, but the underlying intent is to give a command, make a statement, or give an evaluation."

    And I do not believe that the devil can be saved. Nor demons.

    These beings were once in the presence of Almighty God. In fact, they were born or created in His presence. To have broken fellowship with Him when already IN His presence, is not the same as sinful man who has never seen God nor been in a His Holy presence in the perfection of heaven.

    They were in the midst of the Perfection and Holiness of God and chose evil. :BangHead:

    To be "saved" is to be in the presence of evil and to be evil and being brought into the midst of the Perfection and Holiness of God by the gift of grace.

    Again, I'm sorry for picking at J.D.
     
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    rhetorical question-- a biting remark phrased in interrogative form to defelect the accusation of a biting remark

    Or didn't YOU know that?
     
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    Is that a rhetorical question? :saint:
     
    #17 Scarlett O., Jun 25, 2007
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    What do you think? :saint:
     
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    Huh?

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    I'm so confused.......
     
    #19 Amy.G, Jun 25, 2007
  20. J.D.

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    I agree with your statements but I'm going to play the role of a skeptic for a while to make my point.

    Skeptic says: When you say their fate is sealed, do you mean that they have no opportunity or chance to be saved whatsoever? How is that fair?
     
    #20 J.D., Jun 25, 2007
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