Featured Can the Bible Still Guide America's Footsteps on the Narrow Path?

Better question. Why does it matter?

 

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Needless to say, this comment is totally lost on me; can you elaborate?

 

No, the Bible cannot guide AMERICA'S footsteps on the narrow path. The Bible CAN guide individual people's footsteps on the narrow path. Big difference. Don't expect America to follow the Bible. Win people to Jesus and they will follow the Bible.

 

The Bible can help us a corporate people, but is meant for the Church, not a pagan nation.

 

Now let everybody say AMEN!!!:applause: Politics must really confuse people. The same people who speak of America corporately changing one day will lambhast others the next day for not recognizing them as individuals.

But I believe that's what happens when folk's true motives come through. The light of the Holy Spirit shows that , in truth, their concern is politics and other things and NOT seeing folks saved.

If the guiding of the Holy Spirit is being heeded, the direction is gonna be about individuals being changed into new creations. About individuals being guided by God's word. About loving individuals.

We can't very well expect the country to be changed when INDIVIDUALS aren't being changed.

The word of God points the lost to Christ and new creation. That's true change.

But it also serves in sanctifying the new creation.

Now here's the thing:
The lost are doing what the lost are supposed to do.
The narrow path is for people who have already been saved.

So if things are all askew in the United States, it's the result of the SAVED getting off the narrow path and unrepentantly staying there. It's got nothing to do with folks who aren't on the narrow path and acting the way they are supposed to act without Christ.

When we have created idols out of politics, and will support men who are 100% against Jesus Christ, and will say that we're pro-life for the unborn while supporting taking the life of the born; while we dishonor and disrespect those God has placed in authority over us ; when our first instinct is to ship the poor back to the closest border instead of showing them the compassion of Christ; when we are absolutely ugly to anyone who doesn't sharethe same POV--- and will try to justify ALL of these things.

Is there any wonder why the country is where it is?

It's not because of the lost doing what they are supposed to do. It's because of the saved not acting and living like the saved.

The Bible---the word of God should be directing saved INDIVIDUALS into more Godliness. But we want to point at all them when the problem is all us.

 

The other posters answered for me. This is what I meant:

Good words, all three of you. :thumbs:

 

You really need to stop reading the nonexistent into someone else's comments. There was no sarcasm or rudeness.

 

You'll find that he makes those type of claims a lot because it gets him favor with the folks who agree with him.

Just take it with a grain of salt and recognize that if you're not affirming what he says, that he'll have to start denigrating you in order to make your comments look spurious.:laugh:

After a while he'll pretend to be taking the high road while continuously trying to side insult you.

Will eventually end up on your IGNORE list for obvious reasons. :laugh:

 

You once again are callinmg out those here who do not share your "political views!"

Should we have compassion and concern for illegals flooding our nation, yes, bujt just because we also want to secure our borders for "AMERICAn citizens" does not mean that we disobeying Christ!

And God rules the hearts of all people, so far better to have someone lost who is trying to at least follow moral standards then someone professing Jesus, yet who always mocks him by their agendas!

And just because we wish to have God morals in our cultures, yes, even that morality that you seem to despise so much, does not make us "un Christ like"

And it is NOT a sin to be involved and concerned with politics/morality from Biblical conviction, correct?

 

I do not agree with most of his "political" views, yet I agree with his post 100%. You are being intentionally dishonest and are trying to discredit what he posted just because it steps on your toes and you don't like it. You are proving everything he has posted in this thread accurate by trying to turn what he said into something political so you can scream "liberal."

That burning smell you noticed is your backside... :thumbsup:

 

I did NOT reply back to Zaac in any fashion that was hostile, so why the "burn notice?"

Do you agree with him that one MUST fit up his ahendas in order to really show the "love of Christ?"

Why no t have USA open all borders, lose the military, and just allow all people to do as they please, without any mentioning of it being sin or not?

 

Why not quit idolizing a country and a flag and put the focus back on Christ and the cross? Zaac is right when he states that this country, this world, is falling apart because Christians have convinced themselves that politics is the great commission rather than seeing souls saved. The tighter the political hands tries to squeeze out immorality the more people slip through and turn against Christians.

Your response is a perfect example. Over dramatized whiny nonsense rather than a rational conversation. Who said anything about open borders and no military? How is giving aid and comfort to those from south of us letting everyone do as they please? Since when is seeking safety and a job a sin? I can give you scripture after scripture saying we should be giving aid and comfort to these people. Give ONE solitary verse which says the opposite!

 

When the Bible actually does guide the majority of individuals in this nation, it will also be guiding the nation in toto, because the majority will be acting on the principles learned from God's word.

 

We should help those who do arrive here if children, but also should and must get the Borders protected so that we can have secured borders, for there are really bad guys and terrorists on those trains in, not just kids!

 

the USA was not a nation under Covenant with God as OT israel was, but was based upon principles of the Bible for stanrds/morals/governing/economy etc, so the more we tended to keep those concepts, the more God was able to bless this land!

 

What you believe and what is true can be very different things. Moreover, those who try to do history by the uses of quotes often fail to remember that there were great disagreements about the role of religion in government, so you can cherry-pick quotes to support just about every position. Furthermore, one can be a fervent Christian and support the institutional separation of church and state precisely BECAUSE of your religious convictions.

What is rarely mentioned when Christians use this quote is that Franklin was essentially ignored by his fellow delegates and they did not pray.

Yes they did. But then as soon as they set up a colonial government, many groups DID try to enforce their religious opinions on their citizens. Baptists were often persecuted in the colonies for their views. It is sad that Baptists don't know their own history, for instance, the story of Obadiah Holmes.

 

See this is where human foolishness often enters the equation. Where has God said in His word to only love your neighbor who is a child as you love yourself?

Folks get so hung up in political fanfare that completely dismiss what the word of God says.

Let the government worry about secured borders. What's the worst thing that's gonna happen to a Christian if there aren't secured borders?

Love your NEIGHBOR as yourself. There's no age cutoff.

Let the government handle the borders. Christians should be about loving these folks to Christ.