Cannot continue in sin !

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Yes. Amen monsieur!

 

That would mean that there cannot be a single moment, no wait not a single nano-second that the elect (according to Calvinist definition) can have unbelief. Since we know this is never the case and it is true and a given that the all the elect spend some amount of time in unbelief the op is proven false.

 

No, you can continue to use this tactic to avoid dealing with the truth I have presented if you wish but it only reflects on you.

 

So no Elect person has ever experienced unbelief after their salvation/regeneration/rebirth? Have you never experienced doubt in your own life, SBM?

We "cannot" continue in sin, or we "should not" continue in sin? If you say cannot continue in sin, then you are creating a scenario in which no one is saved or Elect, seeing as all have sinned and come short of the glory of God, and so long as we exist in these mortal bodies, we are subject to the sin nature we have. John addressed this by saying that if we sin, we at least have an advocate with the Father. John didn't tell his audience that they weren't ever going to sin anymore, but he advised them of the help that was in place should they fall victim to sin.

Saying "unbelief is the wage of sin" is incorrect. The scripture is clear. The wages of sin is death. Unbelief is a sin. In fact, it is the sin listed in scripture for which their is no pardon or forgiveness. By saying "unbelief is the wage of sin," you're actually saying "[a sin] is the wage of sin." This is, as I said, incorrect.

 

Which was my point but he was unwilling to respond or defend his position.

 

That was odd. I only saw SBM's OP and SG's response. Once you replied to me I now see several other posts. Interesting...

Anyways, apologies for restating your comment, even if it was inadvertent.

 

I wasn't concerned about that at all. I was just pointing out our agreement.

 

This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin. If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.[1 Jn 1:5-10]

If a Christian continues in sin, he is in darkness, and not in the Light. That is why when we sin, we repent of it. I do not think he was saying we do not sin, but that we can not continue in sin. Why would I state such?

Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.[1 Jn 3:4-6]

No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.[1 Jn 3:9,10]

If someone is truly saved, when...not if...but when they sin, they will repent of it. We will not continue in sin.

 

And for the record, any time we sin, we commit an act of unbelief.


But whoever has doubts is condemned if they eat, because their eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.[Rom. 14:23]

When we sin, we are, in a sense, in unbelief, because sinning does not come from faith.

 

There are so many flawed points in the OP. I hope no one thinks that is a sound Calvinistic/Reformed position.

 

I've always looked at SBM as the BB's resident poster-child for Hyper-Calvinism. He goes above and beyond the normal Reformed position, which we've discussed at length, to a place that even most Calvinists cringe from.

 

No uh huh I know better. I could make the TULIP argument better than she can.

 

You're awful quick to quote a verse that says God concluded them ALL in unbelief, but you left off the part that reads "that He might have mercy upon ALL." For the record, I don't disagree that sin is the consequence of sin, but sin is not the wages of sin. The wages of sin is DEATH, pure and simple, clearly stated in scripture.

No, and you can stop using this little ploy, as it does not strengthen your premise, but instead makes it appear as though you have no desire to defend your position.

 

May I ask you what you find flawed, monsieur? I know savedbymercy and I have had disagreements, but I really can not find much, if anything, unscriptural with the OP.