Cardiologists strongly back obamacare, worry over rocky start

[Crabtownboy]

Hmmm, doctors supporting Obamacare.

American cardiologists appear staunch in their support for President Barack Obama's healthcare reform, although some fear that its rocky launch could derail efforts to improve preventive care for needy patients.

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[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Cardiologists [allegedly] 'strongly back' Obamacare​

The "broad" <--[my quotes and emphasis] support for the Affordable Care Act, popularly known as Obamacare, emerged in interviews last week in Dallas with more than 20 cardiologists ...[Emphasis added]

Let me get this straight: The expressed opinion of twenty cardiologists is supposed to represent "broad support" for the ACA among cardiologists for the ACA?

Twenty?? Twenty??? Are you freakin' kidding me??

There are 23,000 cardiologists in the U.S. And this no-pretense left-leaning socialist news agency wants to convince us that twenty cardiologists represents a consensus when they don't even represent 1/1000th of one percent of their peers?? Let Gallup try to sell that size an unscientific sampling in a presidential poll and see how far it goes!!

Cardiologists hate the ACA. These twenty clowns don't mean squat when their own association has come out against the law.

Nice try, CTB, but you're spin don't cut it.

 

[annsni]

I have a number of friends who are doctors who are totally against this and two are going to retire in the next couple of years just because of this. I've not met one doctor who supported Obamacare but apparently, they hunted down the 20 that do.

 

[Crabtownboy]

So, y'all who are negative on this desire these young people not be covered and not treated?

Dr. Lynn Mahony, who treats dozens of young adults, including some with hereditary heart defects, said many would be ineligible for treatment if Obamacare had not already enabled children to remain on their parents' insurance plans until age 26. "A lot of parents' policies had cut them off at 21."

"These children, when they become adults, will need ongoing regular cardiology follow-up, including surgeries, and without Obamacare they really often have no way to fund their care or procedures," said Mahony, a pediatric cardiologist and professor of pediatrics at the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center in Dallas.

Once a child is diagnosed with an hereditary heart problem, doctors need to test the parents to see if they have the same condition and need potentially life-saving treatment for it.

"But much of the time, I'm unable to get the studies done because their parents have nohealth insurance," Mahony said. She expects that to change on January 1, when Obamacare fully kicks in.

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[thisnumbersdisconnected]

So, y'all who are negative on this desire these young people not be covered and not treated?[

Over 86% of the young, healthy individuals who have signed onto the healthcare website have declined to complete enrollment because they don't want to pay such ridiculously high fees. Young people aren't stupid. They know the administration is trying to fund the ACA on their backs, and they ain't buyin' it. They'd rather pay the penalty and campaign for congressional candidates who will vote to repeal it.

[url="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/15/young-people-obamacare-problem-_n_4280469.html]Young People Aren't Signing Up For Obamacare And That's A Problem[/url]​

LOS ANGELES (AP) — Fears that insurance exchanges that are the linchpin of President Barack Obama's federal health care overhaul wouldn't attract the young, healthy people needed to make them financially viable are being heightened by the early results of signups in several states.

If it becomes a trend, that could lead to increases in insurance premiums and deductibles next year. Along with the paltry enrollment numbers released this week, officials in a handful of states said those who had managed to sign up were generally older people with medical problems — those with the greatest incentives to get coverage.

It's unclear whether that will persist. Young, healthy people may be more inclined to procrastinate, especially given doubts about the law's technically flawed online signup system. They have until Dec. 15 to sign up if they want to be covered on Jan. 1.

Go back to your DNC/White House bosses and tell them you didn't earn your stipend today, CTB.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Over 86% of the young, healthy individuals who have signed onto the healthcare website have declined to complete enrollment because they don't want to pay such ridiculously high fees. Young people aren't stupid. They know the administration is trying to fund the ACA on their backs, and they ain't buyin' it. They'd rather pay the penalty and campaign for congressional candidates who will vote to repeal it.

Typical of generations, from the baby boomers on, selfish and for "me" only. Our nation is in big trouble. There was a time when Americans were willing to help each other. Sad but that is no longer true.

And you did not answer why the elderly should pay for young people's obstetrical expenses?

 

[church mouse guy]

We should keep a free market system. The IRS should not be running the healthcare system. There may be some hardcore Democrat doctors who want socialized medicine because they are nostalgic about the old Soviet Union, but it is safe to say that even liberal Republicans voted against this Democrat plan.

The Democrats are the same party who feel that the solution to children that they do not want is to abort them. Now we see Democrat abortionists saying that they are going to provide medical care for the rest of us.

Al Smith said that the only cure for the ills of democracy was more democracy. He was talking about how prohibition created so much wealth for the gangsters. We need less regulation in the insurance market.

In the case of free-market medicine and insurance, we need the government to step aside and allow people to buy their health insurance wherever they want. Also, we need some remedial legislation to provide some sort of minimal coverage for pre-existing conditions such as the large number of aids patients that we have.

Probably the employer will cease to be the source of insurance.

Dr. Carson suggests that we go to health insurance savings accounts.

One thing is crystal clear--Obamacare is driving up costs and making it even more difficult to find a doctor. The government is very good at making things worse.

 

[Don]

CTB -- question: your only argument these days is putting the needs of the nation before the needs of self.

The majority on this board have come out against the ACA; yet you continue to argue against the will of the majority. Why are you placing your own desires above those of the majority?

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Typical of generations, from the baby boomers on, selfish and for "me" only. Our nation is in big trouble. There was a time when Americans were willing to help each other. Sad but that is no longer true.

And there you go. The inaccuracy of C.T.Boy's post is illuminated, and he goes on a rant about how he's the only one who cares about anybody.

It is so tired. But when the facts are not on your side.....

 

[Crabtownboy]

CTB -- question: your only argument these days is putting the needs of the nation before the needs of self.

Thank you oh so much. You have summed up a big problem in our current society and that is the strongly held feeling/belief that "I am more important than the country!"

The majority on this board have come out against the ACA; yet you continue to argue against the will of the majority. Why are you placing your own desires above those of the majority?

Because in this case the majority is wrong.

 

[Revmitchell]

Crabby has set up a false argument. If you do not want to do it his way then you do not want to help people. A bit more honesty is needed to have rational discussions.

 

[annsni]

Typical of generations, from the baby boomers on, selfish and for "me" only. Our nation is in big trouble. There was a time when Americans were willing to help each other. Sad but that is no longer true.

And you did not answer why the elderly should pay for young people's obstetrical expenses?

Wait - You are talking out of two sides here unless I'm misunderstanding:

First you say that we have a "me" generation because people don't want to overpay just to cover someone else's healthcare....

.... but then you ask why the elderly should pay for obstetrical expenses.

Why is it wrong for the healthy to say they won't overpay to pay for someone else but the elderly shouldn't have to?

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Typical of generations, from the baby boomers on, selfish and for "me" only.

So which is it, CTB, the young people are signing up (as you claimed) or they aren't (as I proved)? You have a funny way of talking out of both side of your mouth at the same time. Musta taken lessons from the Great Pretender himself. That's a neat trick.

Our nation is in big trouble.

That's the most truthful thing you've said since I've been on the board. And the sooner we rid ourselves of the socialist in the White House and his ilk in the Senate, the quicker we'll get out of trouble.

There was a time when Americans were willing to help each other. Sad but that is no longer true.

You're equating the young people refusing to sign up for a corrupt, misbegotten socialist healthcare program with Americans' unwillingness to help?? Got news for you, CTB, Americans still help, and in greater numbers than ever before. But we do it out of love for one another, not out of an idiotic law that requires us to redistribute our wealth, which is exactly what The New York Times said the ACA is designed to do.

[URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/24/us/dont-dare-call-the-health-law-redistribution.html?pagewanted=all&_r=2&]Don't dare call the health law 'redistribution'[/URL]​

“Redistribution is a loaded word that conjures up all sorts of unfairness in people’s minds,” said William M. Daley, who was Mr. Obama’s chief of staff at the time. Republicans wield it “as a hammer” against Democrats, he said, adding, “It’s a word that, in the political world, you just don’t use.”

These days the word is particularly toxic at the White House, where it has been hidden away to make the Affordable Care Act more palatable to the public and less a target for Republicans, who have long accused Democrats of seeking “socialized medicine.” But the redistribution of wealth has always been a central feature of the law and lies at the heart of the insurance market disruptions driving political attacks this fall.

Now what, CTB?? One of the biggest media allies of this corrupt government is undermining your talking points. Ask for a new script???

Or maybe get sensible and become a conservative? The latter is preferable.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Wait - You are talking out of two sides here unless I'm misunderstanding:

First you say that we have a "me" generation because people don't want to overpay just to cover someone else's healthcare....

.... but then you ask why the elderly should pay for obstetrical expenses.

Perhaps I was not clear there. If the young say they should not have to pay for the elderly, why should the elderly pay for the young and their particular stage of life epenses.

My point, which I guess I did not make well, was that both should be willing to help the other. We, the elderly, were young once and out elders helped us in many ways. I still should and am willing to help the young.

The young should be willing to help the elderly as they themselves someday will be elderly and will need help from the then young.

Why is it wrong for the healthy to say they won't overpay to pay for someone else but the elderly shouldn't have to?

For the same reason they will want help when they are not healthy.

 

[Revmitchell]

Trying to characterize what Obama and obamacare is doing as "helping" is just false and a joke. It is not the goal of the Democrats and marxists in politics and on this board to "help" anyone. What they do want is to further their political agenda.

If anyone thinks Obama wants to genuinely help anyone I have some ocean front property here in NM to sell you.

 

[padredurand]

Ironic that cardiologists would support ACA considering the stress of trying to enroll and the heart attack that comes when they tell you the premiums will be. Job security?

 

[Don]

Thank you oh so much. You have summed up a big problem in our current society and that is the strongly held feeling/belief that "I am more important than the country!"

But your conclusion is mistaken. People here aren't saying they're more important than the country; they're pointing out an anti-scriptural principle. Just as you yourself have argued against legalistic tithing, now we have a government that's mandating legalistic giving to support others.

There can be no cheerful giving when there is no giving, but only taking.

Because in this case the majority is wrong.

In your opinion, perhaps; but I would have preferred to have had the opportunity to cheerfully give rather than have to render unto Caesar.

 

[annsni]

Perhaps I was not clear there. If the young say they should not have to pay for the elderly, why should the elderly pay for the young and their particular stage of life epenses.

My point, which I guess I did not make well, was that both should be willing to help the other. We, the elderly, were young once and out elders helped us in many ways. I still should and am willing to help the young.

The young should be willing to help the elderly as they themselves someday will be elderly and will need help from the then young.



For the same reason they will want help when they are not healthy.

Yeah but often the young do not have money and to expect them to shoulder the bill doesn't quite work. Right now, my daughter who lives at home and is out of college has a beginning of $500 a month in expenses. That's car insurance, car repair and student loans. She is working part time as a cashier at a grocery store and subbing whenever she can grab a job until the time that she is able to get a full-time teaching job. In this climate that may take a while. So to expect her to pay another large bill for insurance is ridiculous. She is barely making ends meet as it is and she still needs money for new clothing for her teaching (we will have to help her a lot with that this Christmas), gas and incidentals. Fortunately, we cover all food (even food out right now except going out with friends - but food purchased when out working I'll cover if we have no food for her to take at home). It's just costly to live!

 

[Inspector Javert]

Perhaps I was not clear there. If the young say they should not have to pay for the elderly, why should the elderly pay for the young and their particular stage of life epenses.

They shouldn't........and never should have. Socialism is wrong from either direction. My wife and I paid for all of our obstetric care. We owe thousands, but we pay for it. The hospitals BEGGED us to sign up for Medicaid, but since (we believe) it is a sin to use the law to steal from another we refused.

My point, which I guess I did not make well, was that both should be willing to help the other.

They are willing. It is a fact that Americans are by far the most charitable and monetarilly generous people on Earth. They would be even MORE so if you eliminated the confiscatory taxes which prevent them from giving even more.

Using government force to take money from one person to give to another preferred group isn't "helping" another person......it is simply legalized theft.

We, the elderly, were young once and out elders helped us in many ways. I still should and am willing to help the young.

Then help them by insisting on lower taxes.

The young should be willing to help the elderly as they themselves someday will be elderly and will need help from the then young.

I have no doubt my family (children) friends, and Church will be more than willing to help us out when we age.....We do not need the Government to steal someone else's money and give it to us.

For the same reason they will want help

I do not now, and never will want the "help" of legalized theft. I have refused it in the past and will continue to do so until I die.

 

[sag38]

Of course there will be doctors of all sorts who think Obama and his plan is the bomb. Doctors can be bed wetters just like Crabby. But, I would like to see a comprehensive statistic and not liberal propaganda.