Changing a point of view.

[37818]

Changing points of view is a task of our instruction to present the gospel.
But for us believers here on the BB we discuss our differnences. But do we do it with the interest in helping others change their point of view? And do we ever think that we need to change our own point of view?

Personally most Biblical points of view I discuss are ones I have decided on.

I do not mind being told I am wrong about something I believe. But being told and what is understood by the critic to be the correct view is not presented by the one or few Scriptures, is not helpful. A mere denial do not prove themselves. But affirming Scriptures can make a case.

 

[Reformed1689]

Some also don't appreciate being told their Bible is corrupt

 

[Deacon]

When scholars interact in a collegiate setting there is respect for differing viewpoints.
No one expects each other to change their view but each presents a well arranged argument for their view.

I enjoy interactions with people on the BB that have views that differ from mine.
I (usually) don’t need to best someone. I try to respect their viewpoint even while disagreeing with it.
I know both of us are on the same team, working for the same Coach… and I better act like it.

Perhaps due to ever advancing age, I’ve become more tolerant of others divers opinions.

What I value most in a post is one where I can see that the person crafted it with thought. They know a topic or have researched a topic and presented it in such a way that reading it makes me think (rather than presenting a provocative post that illicites a negative response).

What bothers me the most are people that don’t mature, whose posts have remained the same over the years… same questions, same responses… an unwillingness to learn or change.

Rob

 

[Salty]

Often when we espouse our views- we are nothing more than a parrot of someone who has taught us.

We know WHAT we believe
but the problem is
Do we know WHY we believe it.
and just because someone else believes it
is not reason enough
Have we studied the Bible and then reached our own conclusion

Mind you, I am not suggesting that we cannot study the writings and beliefs of others, but just make sure you personally have come to that conclusion!

 

[Reformed1689]

Often when we espouse our views- we are nothing more than a parrot of someone who has taught us.

We know WHAT we believe
but the problem is
Do we know WHY we believe it.
and just because someone else believes it
is not reason enough
Have we studied the Bible and then reached our own conclusion

Mind you, I am not suggesting that we cannot study the writings and beliefs of others, but just make sure you personally have come to that conclusion!

This was me for years on a certain point of doctrine (which will not be discussed here). But when I actually studied it for myself, and not just listening to pastors and teachers, I realized my point of view was dead wrong and not found in Scripture.

 

[alexander284]

I do not mind seeing a man change his point of view. That is his business, not mine.

What I do mind is seeing a man judge, condemn, attack, or mock another man for having done so.

 

[Dr. Bob]

We know WHAT we believe but the problem is Do we know WHY we believe it.

That is more typical of what I've seen in recent decades in the SBC. Very weak on doctrinal teaching/comprehension while very good on the stories of the Bible, Sort of what I think of children's level preaching/teaching - fun stories, fun songs, little depth. Sons found that in taking SBC churches and appalled at the lack of understanding/application (though they knew all the songs and stories). Wife's mom remarried and part of SBC church with her new husband. After a couple years she said, "I'm starving" from lack of depth - the "why" in explanation/application was not there.

Not just SBC but that is what I've seen in our area. Probably true of many IFB, too. Tell WHAT to believe (and threaten you with hell if you don't believe it) but just assume if you know the "what" you understand the "why". Start teaching with kids and teens and carried on FAITHFULLY with adults.

 

[37818]

Some also don't appreciate being told their Bible is corrupt

How do you recommend addressing anothers perceived to be wrong reading in others Bible do a known variant? How or what should it be called?

 

[Reformed1689]

How do you recommend addressing anothers perceived to be wrong reading in others Bible do a known variant? How or what should it be called?

Considering the particular one in question can have the same meaning? I'd admit I was wrong and move on.

 

[37818]

Considering the particular one in question can have the same meaning? I'd admit I was wrong and move on.

Dr Pickering in his translation notes refers to the differing translations of using inferior manuscripts.

 

[alexander284]

That is more typical of what I've seen in recent decades in the SBC. Very weak on doctrinal teaching/comprehension while very good on the stories of the Bible, Sort of what I think of children's level preaching/teaching - fun stories, fun songs, little depth. Sons found that in taking SBC churches and appalled at the lack of understanding/application (though they knew all the songs and stories). Wife's mom remarried and part of SBC church with her new husband. After a couple years she said, "I'm starving" from lack of depth - the "why" in explanation/application was not there.

Not just SBC but that is what I've seen in our area. Probably true of many IFB, too. Tell WHAT to believe (and threaten you with hell if you don't believe it) but just assume if you know the "what" you understand the "why". Start teaching with kids and teens and carried on FAITHFULLY with adults.

What I'm also seeing is churches focusing on bringing in "new believers," but neglecting to focus on "discipleship."

 

[Reformed1689]

Dr Pickering in his translation notes refers to the differing translations of using inferior manuscripts.

Ok? We can start a new topic on this but do you know the custom ANE was to wash feet before the meal? Not after?

 

[Salty]

Ok? We can start a new topic on this ...

Sure - go ahead

 

[37818]

Ok? We can start a new topic on this but do you know the custom ANE was to wash feet before the meal? Not after

Before. Mark 14:17-18, ". . .
And in the evening he cometh with the twelve. And as they sat and did eat . . . ."
An unmentioned foot washing would have taken place between verses 17 and 18. Jesus' act of foot washing was to teach.

 

[John of Japan]

When scholars interact in a collegiate setting there is respect for differing viewpoints.
No one expects each other to change their view but each presents a well arranged argument for their view.

Well, not always. I once presented a paper on dynamic equivalence at a meeting of profs and was severely clobbered by men who didn't even seem to get my point. Another time, the essay I wrote for the festschrift of a Greek scholar friend was reviewed with great prejudice by a supercilious student of another well known Greek scholar. (I wouldn't have minded if he'd been just slightly respectful.)

I enjoy interactions with people on the BB that have views that differ from mine.
I (usually) don’t need to best someone. I try to respect their viewpoint even while disagreeing with it.
I know both of us are on the same team, working for the same Coach… and I better act like it.

Perhaps due to ever advancing age, I’ve become more tolerant of others divers opinions.

What I value most in a post is one where I can see that the person crafted it with thought. They know a topic or have researched a topic and presented it in such a way that reading it makes me think (rather than presenting a provocative post that illicites a negative response).

Good thoughts.

What bothers me the most are people that don’t mature, whose posts have remained the same over the years… same questions, same responses… an unwillingness to learn or change.

Rob

Totally agree.