Children of the wicked one

Npet, have you studied two-seedism?

 

Satan doesn't have any children! Spiritually speaking, if you don't serve God, you serve Satan, but you are not literally a child of the wicked one.

 

On the money.

Here's a brief overview of two seedism:

Parker is Daniel Parker, born on April 6, 1781, in Culpeper County, Virginia. Absolute Predestinarian.

 

Marcia hit it on the head in that we either serve God or we serve Satan. Unsaved folks serve only Satan, but once a person is saved then that person has a choice of Who/who to serve. We can either die to self and serve God or we can live for self and serve Satan.

 

Neither do I, but apparently, those who opposed it at that time thought so.
What I know about it (two seedism) is that it was a doctrine which came into existence as an excuse for God's sovereignty in election and predestination, to explain away why God chose some, and why all those God had chosen will without fail be saved, as if God needed to explain Himself away to anyone, even His own.

Now, back to the parable.

IMHO, it is speaking of the elect, and the unelect.

 

Very good question npet. I believe that we are of our father the devil until regeneration. I do not believe in eternal justification. I believe we have to hear the gospel and respond.... that we are not born again in eternity past. This is a very good question. I've always looked at it as if we are born of God and become His children.... but were we already His children? I still do not beleive in eternal justification.... but those who will be justified will certainly be so. Hmmmmm Grace and peace

 

In my first reading of the spiritual two seed theory, I found it generally acceptable. But I haven't really done a critical review of it yet. Likewise the doctrine of eternal justification.

 

Don't you think when Jesus said this, he meant spiritually the children of the wicked one? I think that wheat and tares parable is telling us that the unsaved can look like the saved, but they are not.

The enemy comes and sows tares. These are unbeleivers but they look like believers - tares are weeds that look like wheat, and according to this, only God is allowed to separate them. I think the tare can make itself known (as an apostate), but this normally does not happen.

 

I don't know if what I believe, reading the Scriptures and not being tutored by any man, is what you call eternal justification, and unless pursuing this will not tend to hijack your thread, then perhaps another thread on eternal justification will be proper.

But I believe, reading the Scriptures and the implications of election when seen and compared with God's having written a book of Life where He wrote down all the names of His elect, that all the elect are born belonging to God by virtue of His choice of them, but, because of their fallen nature inherited from Adam, they are born at enmity with God here in time until regeneration, which of course is purely the act of the Spirit in them.

That is why Jesus Christ always referred to them as His sheep, and in the Old Testament, as His brethren.

I believe none of the elect born before the cross, before the blood of the Lamb was shed in time, regardless of their time of birth, or place of birth, will ever be lost, and all were covered by the blood of the Lamb slain from before the foundation of the world.

Now, before anyone starts bashing Primitive Baptists again, please note that I am not saying this is a doctrinal stand of Primitive Baptists, this is my understanding of the eternal security of the elect in Christ.

 

Not necessarily "fake Christians" but counterfeit children of God (which we become by grace through faith in the OT and NT).

In the immediate sense of when Jesus told this, the fact that tares look so much like wheat that it is apparently almost impossible to tell the difference would suggest, to me anyway, that it is not about a child of God vs. a Hindu, a Taoist, or a Buddhist, but more about a child of God vs. those who thought they were God's chosen as descendants of Abraham and therefore "safe." Many parables were on this topic, showing that the disbelieveing Jews were not in God's camp as they thought they were.

In application for today, I think it is reasonable to say this may mean real believers vs. counterfeit believers - those who appear to be Christian or say they are, but really are not.

Your question is making me think -- thanks.

 

I think Jesus said this because they were rejecting Him as the Messiah. Of all people, the Jewish leaders should have recognized Him. They knew the scriptures, they knew the signs that would accompany the Messiah, yet they rejected him even though they saw him face to face. I think that is why Jesus said this. (I don't think it's tough love).

 

1Jo 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

 

Amen! The bible teaches we are condemned already if we haven't believed in Jesus. We are not born children of God. We are born sinners and cursed. We must be born spiritually(born again ) to become adopted children of God.

By the way. These threads are infested with Calvinests'. Adam and Eve had a choice. Jesus is the second Adam. We have the same CHOICE Adam and Eve had. To come to God or not. I do not believe in two seeds. We are condemned prior to salvation because ALL have sinned.

 

Yeh, I've noticed that. There's Calvinests' ever where. They're like the boogy man, just waiten ta spring on ya and destroy yer faith - sayin that God is sovereign and all that stuff.