China arrests 100 young Christians

Thanks, President Bush, and Congress for giving China Permanent Normal Trade Status in spite of their history and ongoing human rights violations.

If anyone cares about these Chinese Christians, you can email the Chinese Embassy in Washington D.C. here:

chinaembassy_us@fmprc.gov.cn

 

Please provide a credible objective news source. WND does not qualify. You know I'm not the only one on this board who is aware of that.

I'm not questioning the issue of China and state-approved churches. I have simply learned from the past that WND very often does not accurately or wholely report events.

I'm also curious: If China broke up, say, 100 Muslims studying the Koran, would you consider that an oppression of human rights?

Also, do you consider Germany's ban on the practice of Scientology, or Germany's ban on Muslim women teachers wearing headscarves in schools a violation of human rights?

[ July 27, 2005, 01:00 PM: Message edited by: Johnv ]

 

Please provide a list of credible objective news sources, Johnv.

 

TO name a few, anything from the Associated Press, Fox News, or BBC, for starters.

 

WND never goes so far as to print inaccurate facts, however, there have been several instances pointed out on this bb where WND either failed to give all teh facts, or presented the facts in a manner different from what actually transpired.

As far as VoM, I have no quarrel with VoM. They're a worthy organization. However, they are not an objective news agency. They are a ministry, and I treat their information in the same manner as Christianity Today (which I subscribe to, btw).

 

Well, Johnv, you can ignore the news from WND. Some of us find it more credible than the BBC which issued a ban on using the word "terrorist" describe the London bombings.

I'm glad there are ministries such as the VOM to keep us posted on abuses of Christians around the world, and there are probably more than is being reported.

 

I don't ignore the news. I'm asking for backup from a mainline and more reputable source (we can argue the issue of what constitutes reputability elsewhere). The issue of WND being questionable is well-established, and therefore scrutiny of anything they print is more than prudent. That being said, I'm also aware that WND does occaisionally get it right on.

I would like to know your thoughts on the aforementioned questions:

If China broke up, say, 100 Muslims studying the Koran, would you consider that an oppression of human rights? I would. Likewise would I if they were Christians, Jews, or even Moonies.

Also, do you consider Germany's ban on the practice of Scientology, or Germany's ban on Muslim women teachers wearing headscarves in schools a violation of human rights? I do, as I would if they forbade a Jew from sporting a yamulka, or a Christian from wearing, say, a cross pendant.

And I concur with VoM. Never said otherwise.

 

Not likely to happen. Here's why:

From a Source You Trust

Now compare that to this:

http://www.christianfreedom.org/messages.aspx?id=571

 

Source

And some of these political prisoners are simply Christians who are imprisoned - our brothers and sisters in Jesus Christ.

 

I didn't ask about likelihood. I simply asked yes or no questions. I'll ask again:

If China broke up 100 Muslims studying the Koran, would you consider that an oppression of human rights?

Do you consider Germany's ban on the practice of Scientology, or Germany's ban on Muslim women teachers wearing headscarves in schools a violation of human rights?

BTW, it's definitely possible that Muslims, as well as Jews and other religious groups, in a similar situation would get treated similarly, if they are part of a group that is not registered with the Chinese government. Personally, I don't think that anyone should be required to "register" their religious group. But many countries, including China, and even some European countries, do it. However, that is a different topic altogether.

 

That Christians persecutes Christians that don't conform to State control is unquestioned -

www.asianews.it/view.php?l=en&art=3642

 

KenH;
How on earth do you get that from this article?
Nothing in it is anywhere near what you claim.
Perhaps you are mistaken? "Christians persecuting Christians?"

In HIS service;
Jim

 

Sorry, that sentence should have been "That China persecutes Christians that don't conform to State control is unquestioned".

 

Thanks for clearing that up. Wondered if you had been in the hot sun too long, LOL.

 

Nah. I just need to proofread better.

 

LadyEagle,

Why are you refusing to answer my questions? They're simple yes or no questions:

If China broke up 100 Muslims studying the Koran, would you consider that an oppression of human rights?

Do you consider Germany's ban on the practice of Scientology, or Germany's ban on Muslim women teachers wearing headscarves in schools a violation of human rights?

I'm not asking in an attempt to fingerpoint or accuse you. Really.

[ July 29, 2005, 05:03 PM: Message edited by: Johnv ]

 

That Depends on whether or not they were supporting the world jihad movement.

Like I said, there is little chance of that happening since Islam is a government sanctioned religion in China.

I don't know enough about that to comment on it.

No - this question seeks to blur the line of what is considered human rights violations. Forbidding of wearing head scarves is not a human rights issue, IMO. Beheading (severing the head to which the scarf is attached), IS a human rights violation, IMO.

Executing prisoners for their body parts is a human rights violation.