China under counts, we over count...everyone is lying

[carpro]

US Hospitals Getting Paid More to Label Cause of Death as ‘Coronavirus’ - Global Research


Dr. Scott Jensen says the American Medical Association is now “encouraging” doctors to overcount coronavirus deaths across the country.

Jensen received a 7-page document that showed him how to fill out a death certificate as a “COVID-19 diagnosis” even when there isn’t a lab test confirming the diagnosis.

“Right now Medicare is determining that if you have a COVID-19 admission to the hospital you get $13,000. If that COVID-19 patient goes on a ventilator you get $39,000, three times as much. Nobody can tell me after 35 years in the world of medicine that sometimes those kinds of things impact on what we do.”

 

[Scott Downey]

US Hospitals Getting Paid More to Label Cause of Death as ‘Coronavirus’ - Global Research


Dr. Scott Jensen says the American Medical Association is now “encouraging” doctors to overcount coronavirus deaths across the country.

Jensen received a 7-page document that showed him how to fill out a death certificate as a “COVID-19 diagnosis” even when there isn’t a lab test confirming the diagnosis.

“Right now Medicare is determining that if you have a COVID-19 admission to the hospital you get $13,000. If that COVID-19 patient goes on a ventilator you get $39,000, three times as much. Nobody can tell me after 35 years in the world of medicine that sometimes those kinds of things impact on what we do.”

What your describing is medical billing fraud. But will they prosecute this?

 

[carpro]

What your describing is medical billing fraud. But will they prosecute this?

No. They are following CDC directives.

 

[carpro]

More of the same. The people behind the lies.

 

[Scott Downey]

No. They are following CDC directives.

Well the CDC is run by fallible people, it is why we pass laws that change things and why we creates new organizations and hire and fire people to write different policies. Now some are calling for the WHO to be replaced by a new organization because of their missteps.

CDC is trying to create more deaths from Covid to make their shutdown policies seem more palatable and relevant, but they are all liars. It is why you hear some say if we had not shutdown, more than 2 million people would be dead, but they dont really know and no one can predict how many will die from this over the next few years.
the worldwide shutdown is creating a humongous food crisis, and the warning is to expect mass starvation in some places. There are all sorts of follow on effects from this evil shutdown, we should have done what Sweden is doing. It is is time for change.

 

[Scott Downey]

Professor Lockdown Quits After Breaking Own Rules to Meet Lover

Notice this guy here? Responsible for convincing nations to shutdown, look at the nature of the man, he is a lying hypocrite, he knows his predictions were wrong, he is like a false prophet...such false prophets do much damage but only because the people listen to them rather than trust in the Lord's promises. (Which they can not do as they are unbelievers, but still they have no excuse before God)

 

[Deacon]

“Lying” is not the right word.
The statistics at this time are unreliable and open to quite a bit of misinterpretation. News reporters are using the virus as click-bait.
We know many of the tests are not completely reliable and may over count.

So those that lead us have to make decisions on less than accurate information.
If you had to make the decisions, would you protect your electorate or allow things to progress and only begin acting when it’s too late.

Our understanding of this viral strain is still in the early stages of discovery.
Much is still unknown (despite the headlines written by news actors and communication majors).

How many dead would you willing to accept to prevent a weak economy and an economic downturn?
Or to put it closer to home, who among your congregation will you allow to die so you can make budget this year.

As I return to work next week in a medical setting, the presumption (even after a vigorous screening of patients) is that we are working with an asymptomatic viral carrier.
Better safe than sorry, we wear full gear (n95 masks, gowns, gloves) until we know more. ... the guess is until mid-June. I’m not happy about it, but it is the wise thing to do.

Rob

 

[carpro]

“Lying” is not the right word.

To the contrary, it's the perfect term. Government sanctioned and encouraged lying, to boot.

 

[Deacon]

carpo, I think you’ve drunk the kool aid.

Rob

 

[carpro]

carpo, I think you’ve drunk the kool aid.

Rob

Not part of my diet.

I have , at least, provided evidence for my point of view. All you have provided is an opinion and an insult.

 

[777]

A friend of mine's mother was in a nursing home, Sunday she started having trouble breathing, so they took her to a hospital and she died the next day. They are calling the cause of death corona, was it really?

Fact-check: Do hospitals get paid more to list patients as having coronavirus?

according to that, hospitals do get paid more from the stimulus bill if they say coronavirus. She was 85 and the facility she was in did take all the precaution, to an extreme but they sure didn't help her.

Head's up to RBG:

Supreme Court says Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg underwent 'non-surgical' treatment for gallbladder condition

 

[Gold Dragon]

US Hospitals Getting Paid More to Label Cause of Death as ‘Coronavirus’ - Global Research


Dr. Scott Jensen says the American Medical Association is now “encouraging” doctors to overcount coronavirus deaths across the country.

Jensen received a 7-page document that showed him how to fill out a death certificate as a “COVID-19 diagnosis” even when there isn’t a lab test confirming the diagnosis.

“Right now Medicare is determining that if you have a COVID-19 admission to the hospital you get $13,000. If that COVID-19 patient goes on a ventilator you get $39,000, three times as much. Nobody can tell me after 35 years in the world of medicine that sometimes those kinds of things impact on what we do.”

We already addressed this false story a month ago.

Doctor told to list cause of death as covid 19

What the CDC report actually says is that doctors should do what they always do with writing death certificates which is use their clinical judgement.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf

Certifying deaths due to COVID–19

If COVID–19 played a role in the death, this condition should be specified on the death certificate. In many cases, it is likely that it will be the UCOD, as it can lead to various life- threatening conditions, such as pneumonia and acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS). In these cases, COVID–19 should be reported on the lowest line used in Part I with the other conditions to which it gave rise listed on the lines above it.

Generally, it is best to avoid abbreviations and acronyms, but COVID–19 is unambiguous, so it is acceptable to report on the death certificate.

In some cases, survival from COVID–19 can be complicated by pre-existing chronic conditions, especially those that result in diminished lung capacity, such as chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) or asthma. These medical conditions do not cause COVID–19, but can increase the risk of contracting a respiratory infection and death, so these conditions should be reported in Part II and not in Part I.

When determining whether COVID–19 played a role in the cause of death, follow the CDC clinical criteria for evaluating a person under investigation for COVID–19 and, where possible, conduct appropriate laboratory testing using guidance provided by CDC or local health authorities. More information on CDC recommendations for reporting, testing, and specimen collection, including postmortem testing, is available from: https://www. cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nCoV/hcp/clinical-criteria.html and https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/guidance- postmortem-specimens.html. It is important to remember that death certificate reporting may not meet mandatory reporting requirements for reportable diseases; contact the local health department regarding regulations specific to the jurisdiction.

In cases where a definite diagnosis of COVID–19 cannot be made, but it is suspected or likely (e.g., the circumstances are compelling within a reasonable degree of certainty), it is acceptable to report COVID–19 on a death certificate as “probable” or “presumed.” In these instances, certifiers should use their best clinical judgement in determining if a COVID–19 infection was likely. However, please note that testing for COVID–19 should be conducted whenever possible.

 

[777]

Noooooooooooo, that's not what I was talking about. Rather this:

Diagnosis-related Group (DRG) Add-on Payment
The CARES Act provided for a 20% add-on to the inpatient prospective payment system (PPS) DRG rate for COVID-19 patients for the duration of the public health emergency. CMS states that it will identify discharges of an individual diagnosed with COVID-19 using the following ICD-10 diagnosis codes:

• U07.1 (COVID-19) for discharges occurring on or after April 1, 2020
• B97.29 (Other coronavirus as the cause of diseases classified elsewhere) for discharges occurring on or after Jan 27, 2020 and on or before March 31, 2020

Further coding guidance is available for discharges on or after April 1 and prior to April 1.

For discharges with the diagnosis codes above, CMS will apply an adjustment factor to increase the DRG weight by 20% when determining inpatient PPS operating payments. Inpatient PPS claims for COVID-19 discharges on or after Jan. 27 that are received by CMS before April 21 will be automatically reprocessed to reflect the payment increase. Claims received on or after April 21 will be processed reflective of the 20% increase.

Coronavirus Update: CMS Releases Guidance Implementing CARES Act Provisions | AHA

a special thing from the stimulus bill not CDC definitions.

 

[Gold Dragon]

Noooooooooooo, that's not what I was talking about. Rather this:



Coronavirus Update: CMS Releases Guidance Implementing CARES Act Provisions | AHA

a special thing from the stimulus bill not CDC definitions.

what is wrong with supporting hospitals managing coronavirus? It is expensive to manage coronavirus with all the ppe and added procedures needed for infection control. Those hospitals need the extra funding.

 

[777]

Nothing is wrong with it but it would be an incentive for a covid-19 diagnose., warranted or not.

 

[Gold Dragon]

Nothing is wrong with it but it would be an incentive for a covid-19 diagnose., warranted or not.

is there evidence that this incentive is being abused? Or just political innuendo for people with an axe to grind?

 

[777]

Probably there are cases that some died of heart failure or something like that and they chalked it up to the virus. Now I doubt they are often lying, like saying someone killed in a car wreck died because of corona even with no test but if I'm honest, I', hoping it's true about the mother - that she had corona and would have been alive right if she didn't, but she was 85, her age was catching up to her. But the nursing home did all of the precautions - no visitors, masks, separation of patients and she still caught it.

I really can't see this as a political issue, doubt most doctors do, either. It's a virus, not some army invading your country, just your body.

 

[Gold Dragon]

Probably there are cases that some died of heart failure or something like that and they chalked it up to the virus. Now I doubt they are often lying, like saying someone killed in a car wreck died because of corona even with no test but if I'm honest, I', hoping it's true about the mother - that she had corona and would have been alive right if she didn't, but she was 85, her age was catching up to her. But the nursing home did all of the precautions - no visitors, masks, separation of patients and she still caught it.

You are guessing that doctors might be over attributing cases and deaths to coronavirus because your politically motivated sources of information are trying to suggest that happens to downplay the severity of covid19 for political reasons, despite having no evidence that is happening.

People don’t die suddenly because they are 85. But they do die suddenly because of Covid19. That is an example of how infectious this virus is that you can do all right infection control and still catch it. But your news sources keep telling you it is no big deal or overblown. When will you stop reading these news sources that are blatantly lying to you?

I really can't see this as a political issue, doubt most doctors do, either. It's a virus, not some army invading your country, just your body.

No we don’t see it as a political thing and it shouldn’t be. But there are some, particularly in the US who can’t help but politicize everything. And it is costing the US a lot in terms of lives, dollars in treatment and the economy because politicizing a pandemic prevents effective coordinated action to combat it and get the economy back up again.

 

[Benjamin]

This'll probably serve to encourage the political conspiracy theorists, but...