Christian Democrat

[ShotGunWillie]

oxy moron.

I have debated several "Christian" supporters of BHO (a type anti-christ) who claim Barack is their man for all of the right reasons.

Please tell me one thing that Barack has said or done that displays Christ resides in his heart.

I can tell you a few things that show He doesn't.....

 

[donnA]

oxy moron.

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[Matt Black]

oxy moron.

Not if you're living in Europe.

 

[North Carolina Tentmaker]

Not if you're living in Europe.

Hey Matt,
What do you mean by that? Do you mean there are Christian Democrats in Europe or that Christian's in Europe support Barrack Obama?

The term democrat is of course defined many different ways. We all want a democratic form of government but perhaps not the American Democratic party. Of course some of us remember the DDR or German Democratic Republic which was not really very democratic at all.

 

[Doubting Thomas]

Hey Matt,
What do you mean by that? Do you mean there are Christian Democrats in Europe or that Christian's in Europe support Barrack Obama?

The term democrat is of course defined many different ways. We all want a democratic form of government but perhaps not the American Democratic party. Of course some of us remember the DDR or German Democratic Republic which was not really very democratic at all.

I imagine he was probably referring to the various parties in Europe known as "Christian Democrat".

 

[Gold Dragon]

Please tell me one thing that Barack has said or done that displays Christ resides in his heart.

These quotes are not proof of anything but display that he believes Christ resides in his heart.

Christianity Today: Q&A Barack Obama

You've talked about your experience walking down the aisle at Trinity United Church of Christ, and kneeling beneath the cross, having your sins redeemed, and submitting to God's will. Would you describe that as a conversion? Do you consider yourself born again?

I am a Christian, and I am a devout Christian. I believe in the redemptive death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I believe that that faith gives me a path to be cleansed of sin and have eternal life. But most importantly, I believe in the example that Jesus set by feeding the hungry and healing the sick and always prioritizing the least of these over the powerful. I didn't 'fall out in church' as they say, but there was a very strong awakening in me of the importance of these issues in my life. I didn't want to walk alone on this journey. Accepting Jesus Christ in my life has been a powerful guide for my conduct and my values and my ideals.

CNN Transcripts: Saddleback forum
WARREN: ...
The first one is Christianity. Now, you've made no doubts about your faith in Jesus Christ. What does that mean to you? What does it mean to you to trust in Christ? And what does that mean to you on a daily basis? What does that really look like?

OBAMA: As a starting point, it means I believe in -- that Jesus Christ died for my sins, and that I am redeemed through him. That is a source of strength and sustenance on a daily basis. Yes, I know that I don't walk alone. And I know that if I can get myself out of the way, that I can maybe carry out in some small way what he intends. And it means that those sins that I have on a fairly regular basis, hopefully will be washed away.

But what it also means, I think, is a sense of obligation to embrace not just words, but through deeds, the expectations, I think, that god has for us. And that means thinking about the least of these. It means acting -- well, acting justly, and loving mercy, and walking humbly with our god. And that -- I think trying to apply those lessons on a daily basis, knowing that you're going to fall a little bit short each day, and then being able to kind of take note and saying, well, that didn't quite work out the way I think it should have, but maybe I can get a little bit better. It gives me the confidence to try things, including things like running for president, where you're going to screw up once in a while.

 

[Bible-boy]

Not if you're living in Europe.

We are not and he is not running for President of Europe. He is running for President of the USA. Our ancestors fought a War of Independence to free us from European control and that includes European socialist thinking and philosophy.

 

[Bible-boy]

These quotes are not proof of anything but display that he believes Christ resides in his heart.

How about if you quote the entire Chicago Sun-Times interview where his answers to further questions directly contradict the things he said in the limited quote you provided?

 

[Gold Dragon]

How about if you quote the entire Chicago Sun-Times interview where his answers to further questions directly contradict the things he said in the limited quote you provided?

You obviously know more about that interview than I do. No one is stopping you from posting it.

If you are referencing where he believes other religions also lead to God, I believe it is possible for someone to be a Christian and believe this incorrect doctrine just like it is possible to be a Christian an believe the incorrect doctrine that one must be saved by the KJV. All Christians have some incorrect doctrine, but that does not preclude them from Christ's saving grace. It is believe in Christ and be saved, not believe in this list of 143 doctrines and be saved.

Maybe Obama isn't saved. I just have his word to go on. The same is true of all Christians in churches and on this forum.

 

[Bible-boy]

The point is don't try to convince us that your point is completely accurate by using a very limited quote especially when other well known quotes by the same person are out there that directly contradict the quote you are currently using. Also, his answers to the Chicago Sun-Times interview go much further that just his universalist beliefs and it has been posted in this forum at least twice recently.

 

[monk]

oxy moron.

I have debated several "Christian" supporters of BHO (a type anti-christ) who claim Barack is their man for all of the right reasons.

Please tell me one thing that Barack has said or done that displays Christ resides in his heart.

I can tell you a few things that show He doesn't.....

Christian democrat right here boss.

 

[Bible-boy]

Christian democrat right here boss.

I guess the proper response would be:

"Oxymoron right there boss."

I say that because I do not understand how any Christian can support the DNC so long as one of their stated positions is the support for abortion.

 

[carpro]

Christian democrat right here boss.

This election , more than ever, convinces me there is no such thing.

The term "Christian democrat" practically defines "oxymoron".

 

[monk]

I guess the proper response would be:

"Oxymoron right there boss."

I say that because I do not understand how any Christian can support the DNC so long as one of their stated positions is the support for abortion.

How awesome it must be to be able to look into one's heart and see if they are in fact a Christian or not.
One's political views have nothing to do with Christ's salvation.
You have your flag wrapped a little too tightly around your cross.

 

[JustChristian]

oxy moron.

I have debated several "Christian" supporters of BHO (a type anti-christ) who claim Barack is their man for all of the right reasons.

Please tell me one thing that Barack has said or done that displays Christ resides in his heart.

I can tell you a few things that show He doesn't.....

Worked tirelessly for the poor. The importance of showing love for our fellow man is emphasized by this description of the Final Judgment in Mathew chapter 25.


Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Mat 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth [his] sheep from the goats:
Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Mat 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Mat 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Mat 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed [thee]? or thirsty, and gave [thee] drink?
Mat 25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took [thee] in? or naked, and clothed [thee]?
Mat 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done [it] unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done [it] unto me.

 

[Mexdeaf]

Worked tirelessly for the poor. The importance of showing love for our fellow man is emphasized by this description of the Final Judgment in Mathew chapter 25.


Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Mat 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth [his] sheep from the goats:
Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Mat 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Mat 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Mat 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed [thee]? or thirsty, and gave [thee] drink?
Mat 25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took [thee] in? or naked, and clothed [thee]?
Mat 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done [it] unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done [it] unto me.

Ok show me ONE example of how Obama has "worked tirelessly for the poor." Encouraging them to commit voter fraud doesn't count.

 

[JustChristian]

Ok show me ONE example of how Obama has "worked tirelessly for the poor." Encouraging them to commit voter fraud doesn't count.

First prove that he encouraged them to commit voter fraud. if you're going to make these wild unsupported allegations we can't have a dialog.

 

[Mexdeaf]

Just as I thought- no answer.

 

[Mexdeaf]

Got real quiet here all a sudden!

 

[Bible-boy]

How awesome it must be to be able to look into one's heart and see if they are in fact a Christian or not.
One's political views have nothing to do with Christ's salvation.
You have your flag wrapped a little too tightly around your cross.

My Christain ethic and morals demand that I stand up to defend the right to life of the unborn. It is not a political view. It is a Christian ethical view. I did not say that anyone who supports the DNC is not a Christian. I said that I do not understand how they (Christians) can do so. There is a huge difference in what I said and what you are trying to imply that I said. Finally, there is no flag on my cross.:tonofbricks: