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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by skypair, Dec 9, 2007.

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  1. skypair

    skypair Active Member

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    Have y'all noticed...

    ... that much of the modern church music has been

    a) Dummed down for our younger and "unchallenged" generations AND

    b) that singing the words is sometimes a theological nightmare?!

    Last week the song "I am a friend of God, I am a friend of God," ad nauseum. No, I am a child of God. Jesus said "i no longer call you servant but friend" but that was before the resurrectoin. When we weren't BRETHREN to Him! Friend, for believers, is a "step down" to being under the schoolmaster again!

    Or this -- "Come into our midst, Oh Lord" (Again, over and over and over). He's already HERE if there are 2 or more believers. Are they insinuating that there are not??

    I was always taught to mean what you say when you sing but when we get on one of these songs, I spend more time "editing" what I say than worshipping.

    How about y'all?

    skypair
     
    #1 skypair, Dec 9, 2007
  2. standingfirminChrist

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    When We All Get To Heaven is one that I sing differently. The first verse says:

    In those mansions bright and blessed
    He'll prepare for us a place.

    It has been nearly 2000 years since the cross. I do believe that place is prepared by now.

    I sing it 'He's prepared for us a place.'
     
    #2 standingfirminChrist, Dec 9, 2007
  3. Alex Quackenbush

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    sky,

    After reading the "Beat" thread, it is clear that if what is reflected in the minds of people I see posting are indeed in ministry, be it a Pastor, Assistant/Associate or Youth Pastors, along with other types of leaders, the INFANTS have taken over the building, so to speak.

    I am amazed at the reasoning of some people. They sound like that haven't gotten past spiritual diapers, never mind mental diapers and at best are still arguing like Jr. High Schoolers because Mommy and Daddy didn't say explicitly this or that.

    But the Bible refers to this kind of issue. It is a matter of PRINCIPLE. For the immature the only thing that dictates their life are EXPLICIT statements and boundaries in the Bible. Outside of that they run rampant with justification for all kinds of lower common denominators and associative inclusions in their life, simply because it doesn't say it in black and white what is or isn't permitted.

    Blindness of blindness and immaturity of immaturity. Which leads me to state once again a ruling principle:

    Unfortunately we have within the church today toddlers being promoted to Pastoral roles and leadership which results in ignorance, foolishness and an emphasis on license of self instead of thought toward others.
     
    #3 Alex Quackenbush, Dec 9, 2007
  4. TCGreek

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    Skypair,

    Your criticism of the modern music you are criticising does not line up.
     
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  5. skypair

    skypair Active Member

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    Huh? Line up with what??

    skypair
     
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  6. skypair

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    Amen, brother! That's the way I used to sing it, too!

    In fact, I'm trying to send Him the materials as we speak -- gold, silver, and precious stones -- what little He may judge me to have done in my pitiful life (1Cor 3).

    skypair
     
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  7. TCGreek

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    1. Are we not friends of God? (John 15:14)

    2. Note 2 Cor 13:14--were those Trinitarian concepts not theirs already, yet Paul prayers for them to be with them?


    3. So the problem is with you and not the songs.
     
    #7 TCGreek, Dec 9, 2007
  8. rbell

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    Our music is carefully evaluated before being used. We as a staff look at songs to make sure they theologically "line up."

    We also make sure that great hymns of the faith...some a millenium or more old, others much, much newer....aren't forgotten by a new generation.
     
    #8 rbell, Dec 9, 2007
  9. annsni

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    Can I just say I hate that song? I know the verses are verses from Scripture, but still - the chorus drives me NUTS.

    When I sing in worship, I want to WORSHIP - not just sing a song. I want to sing of my heart to the Lord and honor Him. I can sing any old song any old time but the worship at church is special to me - it's FOR God, and not just to sing about Him but to sing TO Him.

    For example, today we sang Joy to the Lord, Angels we have Heard on High then Glory in the Highest (a modern worship song by Chris Tomlin)

    You are the first
    You go before
    You are the last
    Lord, You're the encore
    Your name's in lights for all to see
    The starry host declare Your glory

    Glory in the highest
    Glory in the highest
    Glory in the highest

    Apart from You there is no god
    Light of the world
    The Bright and Morning Star
    Your name will shine for all to see
    You are the one
    You are my glory

    And no one else could ever compare
    To You, Lord
    All the earth together declares ...
    Glory in the highest ... to You, Lord

    All the earth will sing Your praise
    The moon and stars, the sun and rain
    Every nation will proclaim
    That You are God and You will reign

    Glory, glory hallelujah
    Glory, glory to You, Lord
    Glory, glory hallelujah


    Then we sang Here I am to Worship (another Chris Tomlin song)

    Light of the world
    You stepped down into darkness.
    Opened my eyes, let me see.
    Beauty that made this heart adore You
    Hope of a life spent with You

    Here I am to worship,
    Here I am to bow down,
    Here I am to say that You're my God
    You're altogether lovely
    Altogether worthy,
    Altogether wonderful to me

    King of all days
    oh, so highly exalted
    Glorious in heaven above
    Humbly You came
    To the earth You created
    All for love's sake became poor

    I'll never know how much it cost
    To see my sin upon that cross

    I want to
     
    #9 annsni, Dec 9, 2007
  10. Dr. Bob

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    Our church only sings "old" hymns (if it's written since 1800 it's probably no good).

    But Christmas carols are some of the WORST THEOLOGY I KNOW. They make CCM look deep!!
     
    #10 Dr. Bob, Dec 9, 2007
  11. standingfirminChrist

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    Then I must have written my song "In A Moment" pre-1800:laugh:
     
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  12. rbell

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    Lookin' good (fer your age).


    :D
     
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  13. skypair

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    I'm not a "grinch" BTW...

    ... yesterday's service was a FANTASTIC contemporary Christmas presentation put on by all the junior choirs called "The Mystery of the Manger" by a written, produced, and presented (first time in Texas) at our church by Celeste Clysdale. If your church has a chance to perform this, go out and get the script. It's great!

    skypair
     
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  14. saturneptune

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    The way I see it is better for young people to be singing Christian songs you do not like in word or style than running the roads.

    It is just your opinion which songs are proper style or which reflect what a "mature Christian" should sing. As TC pointed out, you gave no basis for your criticism. Of course, that is consistant with your criticism of sovereignty and grace doctrines.
     
    #14 saturneptune, Dec 10, 2007
  15. Tom Bryant

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    I agree about the constant repeating of songs... A few Sundays ago we sang a song that repeated "blessed be the name" 32 times in 4 verses... oops, sorry that was the hymn "Blesed be the name" .... my bad :tonofbricks:
     
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  16. skypair

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    AS I said, The WORDS ARE DUMBED DOWN and THE NOTES ARE SO SIMPLE, YOU DON'T NEED MUSIC SCORE TO SING THEM.

    Hmm, but you may have a point. Maybe I don't like YOUR expression of sovereignty and grace because it has been "dumbed down" and has no biblical "score" to "sing" by! :laugh:

    skypair
     
    #16 skypair, Dec 11, 2007
  17. rbell

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    HIJACK ALERT:

    Here's a song that will be stuck in your heads today...

    "Mister Grinch"
    You're a mean one, Mr. Grinch.
    You really are a heel.
    You're as cuddly as a cactus,
    You're as charming as an eel.
    Mr. Grinch.

    You're a bad banana......With a greasy black peel.


    You're a monster, Mr. Grinch.
    Your heart's an empty hole.
    Your brain is full of spiders,
    You've got garlic in your soul.
    Mr. Grinch.


    I wouldn't touch you.......with a thirty-nine-and-a-half foot pole.

    You're a vile one, Mr. Grinch.
    You have termites in your smile.
    You have all the tender sweetness
    Of a seasick crocodile.
    Mr. Grinch.

    Given the choice between the two of you......I'd take the seasick crockodile.

    You're a foul one, Mr. Grinch.
    You're a nasty, wasty skunk.
    Your heart is full of unwashed socks
    Your soul is full of gunk.
    Mr. Grinch.

    The three words that best describe you,
    are, and I quote: "Stink. Stank. Stunk."

    You're a rotter, Mr. Grinch.
    You're the king of sinful sots.
    Your heart's a dead tomato splot
    With moldy purple spots,
    Mr. Grinch.

    Your soul is an apalling dump heap overflowing
    with the most disgraceful assortment of deplorable
    rubbish imaginable,
    Mangled up in tangled up knots.

    You nauseate me, Mr. Grinch.
    With a nauseaus super-naus.
    You're a crooked jerky jockey
    And you drive a crooked horse.
    Mr. Grinch.

    You're a three decker saurkraut and toadstool sandwich
    With arsenic sauce.
    Copyright © 1957, Dr. Seuss.

    Now.....have fun singing THIS all day...

    Dedicated to Skypair, who is NOT a grinch...... :D :D
     
    #17 rbell, Dec 11, 2007
  18. tinytim

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    If there is one thing people on BB know about me it is that I like modern Christian music....

    But having said that!

    I can't stand the song... "I can sing of your love forever"!!!
    It feels like forever when I have to sing it over, and over, and over... and over!!!

    Ok... refer back to rbells post above me.... I am going to my cave now.
     
    #18 tinytim, Dec 11, 2007
  19. rbell

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    Hijack #2: "Grinch trivia..."


    The singer of the Grinch song, Thurl Ravenscroft, was also the voice of Tony the Tiger.
     
    #19 rbell, Dec 11, 2007
  20. Amy.G

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    AHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Make it stop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    You're a sly one.....Mr. Bell. :laugh:
     
    #20 Amy.G, Dec 11, 2007
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