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CLEANNESS OF THE CHURCH

Alex2165

Active Member
JUDGING AND PUNISHING​
1Corinthians 5.1-5

In this letter of Paul, he required to remove from the church anyone who are not up to the standards of the Christian and the Gospel of Christ.

Paul was quite appalled when he heard that someone in the church has his father's wife as his own wife, and Paul reply was that even among Gentiles (he meant all unbelievers) he never seen such depravity.

Actually, is nothing new in such perverted behavior, it even mentioned in the Old Testament (Torah) in Leviticus and Deuteronomy as cursed behavior punishable by death. At that time the nation of Hebrews just came from Egypt, very rough and wild people who and carried with them all the Egyptian's mentality, customs, traditions, gods, and also this sexual depravity that he had heard among Corinthians.

GOD also let Israelites know number of times that because of such abominable behavior He is exterminating the nations of Canaan from His sight, giving by this a warning to Israelites not to do such repulsive things.

Now Paul talking to Gentiles not as a teacher but now as a prosecutor and judge, realizing that the church cannot function as it should and even exist if such things happen among its members. Paul goes as far as giving recommendation to the church to give such person "to Satan for the destruction of flesh."

By saying, "giving to Satan" Paul probably meant expelling him from the church to his own devices, leaving him in the world ruled by Satan, away from the holy congregation, to face the consequences of his own action.

Under "destruction of flesh" Paul might meant some of the associated diseases or some physical suffering resulting from such action.

But even under such circumstances the hope of repentance before the Lord and forgiveness from GOD is not lost for such individual. His soul "may be saved in the Day of the Lord Jesus," which means in the Day of the Lord's Judgment of all peoples of the Earth.

The suffering, whatever it may be, perhaps will bring the sinner to his senses and if he regrets his deed, repent from the heart and ask Lord for forgiveness, GOD may will have mercy on him and forgive him his abomination.

THE HOLINESS AND CLEANSING OF THE CHURCH​
1Corinthians 5.6-12

Why Paul here inserted the Passover Holiday and leaven? It seems like it out of place considering the theme of this chapter. But it actually fits the narrative of the entire theme pointing to cleanness and holiness of the body of Christ, the church. Paul specified here that leaven leavens the whole lump of dough, meaning that any unclean and wicked, spoils, decay, and ruins the entire church, just leaven the dough.

Words, "For Christ our Passover also has been sacrificed," perhaps mean that unleavened bread under this context represents cleanness and holiness of the church for which "Christ our Passover," our Mercy and our Salvation, "has been sacrificed," means, gave Himself up to make us worthy, clean, and holy in Him and in His Gospel.

So, because unleavened bread associated with Passover as one continuous Holy Holiday making Passover clean and Holy, the unleaveness - the holiness and cleanness of the church from anything abominable and dirty, which cleansing and sanctifying the church like unleavened bread cleansing and sanctifying people during Passover, presenting the Christ as our unleavened Bread which we suppose to eat (imitate His Life in everything), in order to be innocent and holy as He is.

In other words, everything that defiles the church make the church unworthy of Christ and such church will perish together with this world. Anything and everything unworthy of Christ will perish.

GOD JUDGES THOSE WHO ARE INSIDE AND OUTSIDE​
1Corinthians 5.13
13. "But those who are outside GOD Judges. Remove the wicked man from among yourselves."

The verse 13 is particularly interesting, dividing people on two separate groups for the Judgment Day of Christ. One group is a Christian group and the other group is the world's group.

Basically, Judgment of GOD passes on all humankind without any difference, according to deeds of each and every men and woman on Earth without any exceptions.

But the most important thing here that the Standard of Judgment of GOD is different between these two groups. The inside group of GOD, the Christian group, will be Judged by GOD according to the Standard of the Gospel of Christ.

The other group is the group that "outside" in the world, outside of Christian influence, the group of the world live according to their own principal, laws, and ideals, they do not acknowledged GOD as their Creator, Master, and King. This group GOD also will Judge according to their own conscience, believes, and deeds.

We do not judge this group of the world, GOD will Judge them, our goal is only to give this worldly group the knowledge of Gospel and bring them to Christ, but keep ourselves clean and holy and protect ourselves from the influence of the world. We should influence the world and not the world shall influence us.

The last words of Paul in this chapter summarizes the whole meaning and point of his writing, "Remove the wicked man from among yourselves." Wickedness has many different forms and shades and of course not only exist in sexual depravity as mentioned in this chapter.

The point is this that if the church defiles itself with something ungodly, perverted, unclean, or wicked, the church must react immediately and fix the problem before it too late and spoiled as a rotten apple. Defiled church is dysfunctional church and would never be accepted by Christ, but most likely will be cursed and perish.
 

Oseas3

Well-Known Member
JUDGING AND PUNISHING​
1Corinthians 5.1-5

In this letter of Paul, he required to remove from the church anyone who are not up to the standards of the Christian and the Gospel of Christ.

Paul was quite appalled when he heard that someone in the church has his father's wife as his own wife, and Paul reply was that even among Gentiles (he meant all unbelievers) he never seen such depravity.

Actually, is nothing new in such perverted behavior, it even mentioned in the Old Testament (Torah) in Leviticus and Deuteronomy as cursed behavior punishable by death. At that time the nation of Hebrews just came from Egypt, very rough and wild people who and carried with them all the Egyptian's mentality, customs, traditions, gods, and also this sexual depravity that he had heard among Corinthians.

GOD also let Israelites know number of times that because of such abominable behavior He is exterminating the nations of Canaan from His sight, giving by this a warning to Israelites not to do such repulsive things.

Now Paul talking to Gentiles not as a teacher but now as a prosecutor and judge, realizing that the church cannot function as it should and even exist if such things happen among its members. Paul goes as far as giving recommendation to the church to give such person "to Satan for the destruction of flesh."

By saying, "giving to Satan" Paul probably meant expelling him from the church to his own devices, leaving him in the world ruled by Satan, away from the holy congregation, to face the consequences of his own action.

Under "destruction of flesh" Paul might meant some of the associated diseases or some physical suffering resulting from such action.

But even under such circumstances the hope of repentance before the Lord and forgiveness from GOD is not lost for such individual. His soul "may be saved in the Day of the Lord Jesus," which means in the Day of the Lord's Judgment of all peoples of the Earth.

The suffering, whatever it may be, perhaps will bring the sinner to his senses and if he regrets his deed, repent from the heart and ask Lord for forgiveness, GOD may will have mercy on him and forgive him his abomination.

GOD JUDGES THOSE WHO ARE INSIDE AND OUTSIDE​
1Corinthians 5.13
13. "But those who are outside GOD Judges. Remove the wicked man from among yourselves."

The verse 13 is particularly interesting, dividing people on two separate groups for the Judgment Day of Christ. One group is a Christian group and the other group is the world's group.

Basically, Judgment of GOD passes on all humankind without any difference, according to deeds of each and every men and woman on Earth without any exceptions.

But the most important thing here that the Standard of Judgment of GOD is different between these two groups. The inside group of GOD, the Christian group, will be Judged by GOD according to the Standard of the Gospel of Christ.

The other group is the group that "outside" in the world, outside of Christian influence, the group of the world live according to their own principal, laws, and ideals, they do not acknowledged GOD as their Creator, Master, and King. This group GOD also will Judge according to their own conscience, believes, and deeds.

We do not judge this group of the world, GOD will Judge them, our goal is only to give this worldly group the knowledge of Gospel and bring them to Christ, but keep ourselves clean and holy and protect ourselves from the influence of the world. We should influence the world and not the world shall influence us.

The last words of Paul in this chapter summarizes the whole meaning and point of his writing, "Remove the wicked man from among yourselves." Wickedness has many different forms and shades and of course not only exist in sexual depravity as mentioned in this chapter.

The point is this that if the church defiles itself with something ungodly, perverted, unclean, or wicked, the church must react immediately and fix the problem before it too late and spoiled as a rotten apple. Defiled church is dysfunctional church and would never be accepted by Christ, but most likely will be cursed and perish.
Speaking of Satan, and Adam, and Eve, for a good and interesting study I'm bring here what a brother in Christ posted in
Recently Updated Posts | Friends Of Jesus
under the topic: "THE THREE TREES (A devotional)

Feb 24, 2025 0:14:58 GMT -3 brotherjacob said:
There existed three trees. Three trees with three meanings.

Three destinies for all of mankind. What are those three trees?
The first two trees were in the Garden of Eden. The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil and the Tree of Life. The Tree of the knowledge of Good and evil was a prohibited tree. Enoch describes the tree as somewhat like a tamarind tree with great fragrance and fruit resembling fine grapes (Book of Enoch 31:4). This tree became like a tree of death. Why? Because our ancestors, Adam and Eve partook of the fruit and brought sin and death into this world.
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Here's my comment, about above posted, for a good and interesting study:

I wrote:
Dear brother Jacob

To say "the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil is like a tamarind tree with great fragrance and fruit resembling fine grapes (Book of Enoch 31:4)", it is a MYTH, and has nothing to do with the Word of GOD. You made your comment based on a myth, so what you commented on is also a myth, in the language of JESUS, it is tares.

GOD said: --> Genesis 3:22-24 combined with 2:17->17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Genesis 3:22-24:--> 22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the MAN is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: ... So, we cannot eat of the Word of GOD, GOD is life, the Word is GOD, and JESUS is the tree of life, and also to eat of the tree of good and evil, like the MYTH above of Enoch about a tamarind tree.

Genesis 3:1-6 -->1 Now the serpent (the MAN OF SIN that deceive the world as whole) was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord GOD had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath GOD said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

2 And the woman said unto the serpent (unto the MAN of sin), We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, GOD hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

4 And the serpent (the MAN of sin, now the red Dragon-Revelation 12:9) said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5 For GOD doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food(knowing good and evil),( and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise(knowing good and evil),she took of the fruit thereof(today,doctrines of demons,false interpretations of the Word of GOD, etc.->2Corinthians 11:13-15, for example, take a look), and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

Genesis 3:12-15
12 And the man(Adam) said to GOD:->
The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.

13And the Lord GOD said unto the woman,What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent (the MAN of sin) beguiled me, and I did eat.

14 And the Lord GOD said unto the serpent(unto the MAN of sin), Because thou hast done this, thou art CURSED ... upon thy belly shalt thou go(What is born of the man of sin is made from the dust of the earth, is earthly, like Cain-John 3:31 combined with 1John 3:12, take a look), and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: (Meditate / reflect on this to understand better: -> Revelation 12:4 --> and the dragon(Revelation 12:9, take a look) stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. (This terrible and evil and satanic scenary occurred with the mankind in these last 6000 years, since the birth of Cain, but in this specific case of Revelation 12:4, GOD caught up unto Him the man child and to his throne(GOD's throne? Psalms 97:2 combined with Psalms 89:14, take a look, and John 1:11-14).

Who was born only from the dust, the dust is the main food of the Devil,
so except JESUS, all were born from the dust of the earth, and were swallowed by the old Serpent since the birth.

(NOTE: I have written all the things above because of the readers and to discernment of each one of them of this terrible and demonic fact).

May our Lord GOD bless and keep us, and give us His protection
Amen

 

Alex2165

Active Member
Speaking of Satan, and Adam, and Eve, for a good and interesting study I'm bring here what a brother in Christ posted in
Recently Updated Posts | Friends Of Jesus
under the topic: "THE THREE TREES (A devotional)

Feb 24, 2025 0:14:58 GMT -3 brotherjacob said:
There existed three trees. Three trees with three meanings.

Three destinies for all of mankind. What are those three trees?
The first two trees were in the Garden of Eden. The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil and the Tree of Life. The Tree of the knowledge of Good and evil was a prohibited tree. Enoch describes the tree as somewhat like a tamarind tree with great fragrance and fruit resembling fine grapes (Book of Enoch 31:4). This tree became like a tree of death. Why? Because our ancestors, Adam and Eve partook of the fruit and brought sin and death into this world.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~.
Here's my comment, about above posted, for a good and interesting study:

I wrote:
Dear brother Jacob

To say "the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil is like a tamarind tree with great fragrance and fruit resembling fine grapes (Book of Enoch 31:4)", it is a MYTH, and has nothing to do with the Word of GOD. You made your comment based on a myth, so what you commented on is also a myth, in the language of JESUS, it is tares.

GOD said: --> Genesis 3:22-24 combined with 2:17->17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Genesis 3:22-24:--> 22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the MAN is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: ... So, we cannot eat of the Word of GOD, GOD is life, the Word is GOD, and JESUS is the tree of life, and also to eat of the tree of good and evil, like the MYTH above of Enoch about a tamarind tree.

Genesis 3:1-6 -->1 Now the serpent (the MAN OF SIN that deceive the world as whole) was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord GOD had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath GOD said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

2 And the woman said unto the serpent (unto the MAN of sin), We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, GOD hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

4 And the serpent (the MAN of sin, now the red Dragon-Revelation 12:9) said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5 For GOD doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food(knowing good and evil),( and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise(knowing good and evil),she took of the fruit thereof(today,doctrines of demons,false interpretations of the Word of GOD, etc.->2Corinthians 11:13-15, for example, take a look), and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

Genesis 3:12-15
12 And the man(Adam) said to GOD:->
The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.

13And the Lord GOD said unto the woman,What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent (the MAN of sin) beguiled me, and I did eat.

14 And the Lord GOD said unto the serpent(unto the MAN of sin), Because thou hast done this, thou art CURSED ... upon thy belly shalt thou go(What is born of the man of sin is made from the dust of the earth, is earthly, like Cain-John 3:31 combined with 1John 3:12, take a look), and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: (Meditate / reflect on this to understand better: -> Revelation 12:4 --> and the dragon(Revelation 12:9, take a look) stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. (This terrible and evil and satanic scenary occurred with the mankind in these last 6000 years, since the birth of Cain, but in this specific case of Revelation 12:4, GOD caught up unto Him the man child and to his throne(GOD's throne? Psalms 97:2 combined with Psalms 89:14, take a look, and John 1:11-14).

Who was born only from the dust, the dust is the main food of the Devil,
so except JESUS, all were born from the dust of the earth, and were swallowed by the old Serpent since the birth.

(NOTE: I have written all the things above because of the readers and to discernment of each one of them of this terrible and demonic fact).

May our Lord GOD bless and keep us, and give us His protection
Amen

Thank you for interesting thoughts.
It seems like that only One Tree will remain and live forever, it is the Tree of Life.

The Tree of Life: (Genesis 2.9, 3.22) (Proverbs 11.30) (Psalm 1.2-3) (Jeremiah 17.7-8) (Ezekiel 47.7.12) (Revelation 2.7, 22.2.14.19)
 

Oseas3

Well-Known Member
Thank you for interesting thoughts.
It seems like that only One Tree will remain and live forever, it is the Tree of Life.

The Tree of Life: (Genesis 2.9, 3.22) (Proverbs 11.30) (Psalm 1.2-3) (Jeremiah 17.7-8) (Ezekiel 47.7.12) (Revelation 2.7, 22.2.14.19)
The secret to living forever and never dying is JESUS, He is the tree of life. He Himself said: John 11:26- Whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
You are alive and I'm sure you believe in JESUS as Scriptures say, so all that is left for you now is to receive the change of nature, that is, from a mortal to an immortal nature, right? It is a wonderful work that only JESUS does, as He said, the question is: Again John 11:26-> : Whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? Never die? How? JESUS explains for us, according Him, it is a simple process for those who believe in Him:->John 17:1-3: -> JESUS said to the Father: -> 1 Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2 As Thou hast given Him Power over all flesh, that He should give ETERNAL LIFE to as many as Thou hast given Him. 3 And this is LIFE ETERNAL, that they might know Thee the only true GOD, and JESUS Christ, whom thou hast sent. John 6:29-> This is the work of GOD, that ye believe on Him whom He hath sent. John 1:3-All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made.->Read Hebrews 1:1-3.

See, Philippians 3:20-21 reveal us: 20->Our conversation is in heaven(heaven?Ephesians 1:3-8, take a look); from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord JESUS Christ:
21 Who shall CHANGE OUR VILE BODY, that it may be fashioned like unto His glorious body, according to the working whereby He is able even to subdue all things unto Himself. Did you understand? Romans 8:19->For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of GOD. --AMEN--->SONS OF GOD? John 1:12-13,take a look.

1Corinthians 15:51-54 and verse 26

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be CHANGED,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be CHANGED.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this MORTAL must put on immortality.

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this MORTAL shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

Revelation 22:17 & 14 -> 17
The Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

1Corinthians 13:8-10:
9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.


10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

Matthew 25:29 - Unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.

To the only wise GOD our Saviour, be Glory and Majesty, Dominion and Power, both now and ever. Amen. Jude 1:25
 
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