College and the Bible

I am but the preferences that I have seen usually come from the KJV only camp. There are some classes that I have taken in seminary that the prof. asked for the class to have a specific version.

 

Very true.

 

Did you know them personally? Or the more pressing question, are you God?

Neal

 

Did you know them personally? Or the more pressing question, are you God?

Neal </font>[/QUOTE]Was Charles Spurgeon a believer?...Did you know them personally? Or the more pressing question, are you God?

Perhaps your answer is no, but...you might say, by their fruit you know....

 

If they confessed faith in Jesus Christ and His resurrection, who am I to say otherwise? Yes, I would not agree with many of their other doctrines, but does that put me in position to say they aren't Christians? I wouldn't be so arrogant to judge. It is between them and God.

What is required for salvation? Perfect doctrine? I hope not. We would be in a lot of trouble.

Neal

 

If he was one by nature, why are you giving the guy such a hard time? He couldn't help it!

Neal

 

Huh? I am not the one going around claiming I know a person's salvation status. If someone confesses faith in Jesus Christ and His resurrection, there is not much I can do. I wouldn't be so arrogant to claim to know a person's salvation status. That is between him and God. I can have what I think, but I wouldn't spread it as rock solid truth like Askjo did. He did not say, "I think...." but instead said that they were not believers. Big difference. Just because you think something does not necessarily make it right.

Neal

 

Correct me if I am wrong (I would prefer it from a non-KJVO), but today's Critical Text is not the one WH produced. So it is not accurate to say that a college is WH, unless of course they really used the text produced by WH. Just wanted to make sure that CT (as it stands today) does not equal WH.

Neal

 

Correct me if I am wrong (I would prefer it from a non-KJVO), but today's Critical Text is not the one WH produced. So it is not accurate to say that a college is WH, unless of course they really used the text produced by WH. Just wanted to make sure that CT (as it stands today) does not equal WH.

Neal </font>[/QUOTE]The CT is not the same as the WH text; however, the CT resembles the WH text more than the TR or the MT. It should be noted that *all* Greek texts are in complete agreement for some 90% of the text, and disagree only in those 10% or so places where there are textual variants. It should also be noted that none of these disagreements affects a single major Christian doctrine that is not clearly taught elsewhere in Scripture.

 

Neal4christ:

Are you sure, to me you are judging every time whis is "probably" saved or unsaved.

If you keep insisting that you are not that arrogant, so, then tell me why...why are you giving people you meet the Gospel message of Salvation??? How would you know if they are not already saved? Aren't you judging here?

And to make things a little bit complicater, did you ever gave your Pastor the plan of Salvation?...Did you ever tried to lead your Pastor to salvation?..If not, why not?? Aren't you judging there?

You see, we are all judging somehow en somewhere, sometimes we just base our judgement, upon what we can see in someones life, on what we know of them en how they behave or claim to believe...we do judge each time...because you cannot know for 100% if someone is saved or not.

The best thing however for the Westcott and Hort to say would be something like this: Based on the life and practice and believes of the Westcott and Hort I do have a reasonable doubt that they were truly saved"

By the Way, thank you Askjo for your input

 

Thanks a million for clearing up that urgent dilemma!

 

When I attended Columbia Bible College (now Columbia International University), they preferred to use the NASB as the "classroom" Bible, due to the fact that it was in more modern english but was also quite literal. They explained that for more in-depth English bible study these attributes made the NASB more suitable for the classroom. However, they took no particular stand in favor of one translation over another overall.

When I attended Covenant Theological Seminary, there were no requirements at all about a particular translation or Greek or Hebrew text. However, as far as I know the professors were uniformly using the UBS 3rd Greek text and the BHS Hebrew text, and we were expected to be able to follow along and keep up with the discussion.

Pastork

 

Not knowing them, No, I do not know this. And you don't either. How much of their stuff have you actually read and how much of this are you basing on what other's have said? It is well known that many in the KJVO camp have told lies about these men.

However, and more importantly, it makes not difference. It does not take a great amount of spirituality to participate in textual criticism. No one has ever shown that it does. The job of the textual critic (whether Erasmus, Westcott and Hort, Scrivener, Metzger, Robinson and Pierpont, Hodges and Farstad, etc--that includes all camps), is to try to construct what the original autograph said. The KJV is based on textual criticism. Erasmus produced a critical text (and messed up very badly in some places). The MajText is a critical text; the Eclectic text is a critical text. In fact, it is impossible to have a Greek text without textual criticism.

With respect to colleges and seminaries, most orthodox evangelical colleges and seminaries use either the UBS4 or the NA27/28. A few use the TR or one of the Majority texts.