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[DeeJay]

Of course God doesn't love everybody.

Psalm 5:5 clearly states:

"The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers [notice it does not say 'works' but 'workers'] of iniquity."

Hate is not the opposite of love. Love is an action while hate is a mindset or emotion. In other words God can, and did, love what he hates. Just like we are commanded to love our enemies.

The action of Gods love was Jesus' work on the cross. Love is not an emotion or feeling.

But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
Romans 5:8

God demonstrates His love that while we were still sinners (workers of iniquity) Christ died for us.

 

[webdog]

Of course God doesn't love everybody.

Psalm 5:5 clearly states:

"The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers [notice it does not say 'works' but 'workers'] of iniquity."

Can you tell me who this does not include? Your understanding of the verse means God hates everyone. Context rules!

 

[2BHizown]

All things

"For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist." Col 1:16,17

All means all, whether seen or not seen, beings, feelings, whatever was created by him. All that is and all that occurs, all that exists and all that takes place, is felt, is loved, or hated or whatever else your mind can imagine was created by him. That is the meaning of sovereignty, God being God!!

 

[ktn4eg]

Webdog--What is your understanding of the context of Psalm 5:5?

 

[webdog]

Webdog--What is your understanding of the context of Psalm 5:5?

The same way the word hate (sane) in this verse is used elsewhere in Scripture, meaning it does not mean hate in the sense we understand it (to withhold love).

 

[ktn4eg]

Thanks for the clarification.

What exactly does sane mean in Proverbs 6:16 ("These six things does the LORD hate....")

Would this also apply to God's stated hatred for Esau as found in Malachi 1:3?

Moreover, since the Malachi passage is referred to in Romans 9:13 [where the Greek uses miseo], is the word "hated" supposed to mean something different there than in the Gospel passages where miseo is used (Mt. 10:22, 24:9; Mk. 13:13; Lk. 19:14, 21:17; Jn. 15:18,24,25 & 17:14)?

I've always been troubled by passages where "hate" is used when it's referring to either God's relationship to people or a person's relationship to another person.

Any help in understanding these Scriptures would be appreciated.

 

[Dave]

The clear sense of scripture

An interesting thing that people want to go with the clear sense regardless of whether the clear sense of one scripture conflicts with the clear sense of another scripture.

What is the clear sense of "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desparately wicked, who can know it?" What is the clear sense of "There is none righteous, no not one. There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.". How about, "But ye shall seek me and find me, when ye seek for me with all your heart". What does the Bible mean when it talks about Election? Foreknowledge? Predestination? What does John 3:16 mean? What about "I will draw all men unto me?" What does all mean in that context? How about other contexts in which you find it?

If a verse cannot be reconciled against the whole of what scripture says on the subject addressed, then the clear sense cannot be the correct sense.

I am not addressing this to Calvinists or Free-willers in particular. I think there is a tendency, though to abandon the principle of letting the Bible interpret itself in favor of the "clear-sense" principle when it makes sense to our pre-conceived notions.

 

[Rippon]

The comes from the pen of A.W.Pink's : " The Sovereignty of God " . This is the full Baker version .

One of the most popular beliefs of the day is that God loves everybody , and the very fact that it is so popular with all classes ought to be enough to arouse the suspicions of those who are subject to the Word of Truth .God's Love toward all His creatures is the fundamental and favorite tenet of Universalists , Unitarians , Theosophists , Christian Scientists , Spiritualists , Russellities , etc. No matter how a man may live --- in open defiance of Heaven , with no concern whatever for his soul's interests , still less for God's glory , dying , perhaps with an oath on his lips , -- notwithstanding , God loves him , we are told . So widely has this dogma been proclaimed , and so comforting is it to the heart which is at enmity with God , we have little hope of convincing many of their error . That God loves everybody , is we may say , quite a modern belief . The writings of the Church-fathers , the Reformers or the Puritans will ( we believe ) be searched in vain for any such concept . Perhaps the late D.L. Moody -- captivated by Drummond's " The Greatest Thing in the World " -- did more than anyone else last century to popularize this concept .
... To tell the Christ-rejector that God loves him is to cauterize his conscience , as well as to afford him a sense of security in his sins . The fact is , that the love of God , is a truth for the saints only , and to present it to the enemies of God is to take the children's bread and cast it to the dogs . With the exception of John 3:16 , not once in the four Gospels do we read of the Lord Jesus -- the Perfect Teacher -- telling sinners that God loved them ! In the book of Acts which records the evangelistic labors and messages of the apostles , God's love is never referred to at all ! But , when we come to the Epistles , which are addressed to the saints, we have a full presentation of this precious truth -- God's love for His own . Let us seek to rightly divide the Word of God and then we shall not be found taking truths which are addressed to believers and mis-applying them to unbelievers . That which sinners need to have brought before them is , the ineffable holiness , the exacting righteousness , the inflexible justice and the terrible wrath of God . ( pages 245-247 )

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

How true! I know that Calvinism is possibly the worse false heresy to find its way into church doctrine. I would rather attend a Jehovah's Witness kingdom hall than a reformed baptist church!

Something tells me you would be quite comfortable with them.:laugh:

Joseph Botwinick

 

[2BHizown]

Something tells me you would be quite comfortable with them.:laugh:

Joseph Botwinick

Please clarify that by saying, he would likely be quite comfy with the JW, not with the calvinists! To think calvinism could be any kind of heresy only proves one knows nothing at all of calvinism, possibly even scripture!:laugh: