confederate VS USA constitution

Very interesting!

Thanks for posting it.

Actually, I like some of the changes that were made such as line item veto and 1 term for the president, only citizens had the right to vote, among others.

It is interesting that they banned the further importation of slaves but kept the slave trade legal within the Confederacy.

 

Only with the advent of technology. The southern landowners could not have operated without the slave economy.

 

Or died a natural death.

 

Exactly. The number of slaves in America were sufficient to provide a continual slave supply.

 

Ironic, considering that in the 1740's, England was sending 33 ships a year on the triangular slaver route from Liverpool to Africa to the Caribbean, where 3000 slaves were supplied annually to the West Indies sugar plantations.

 

And due to the sacrifice and efforts of William Wilberforce Great Britain stopped that abominable business and avoided the judgment that was America's fate.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/historic_figures/wilberforce_william.shtml

 

The Confederate sin was in not giving up that abominable business as early as had England, or the northern US states. It's like living in a seedy neighborhood for many years, then deciding to clean up your own yard and insisting that all your neighbors do the same. Just a little hypocritical.

But yes, it was a bad business and we would all be better off if it had never happened.

 

It was also a moral attitude. Most people at that time did not consider slavery, itself, as evil; but the slave trade was seen as evil because, for example, it wasn't the slave owners that forced those poor people into slavery, it was the slave traders that did the wicked deed. Slave owners saw themselves - and this is hard to swallow by today's thinking - but they saw themselves as the slave's savior of sorts. After all, he was giving them a job, a place to live, food, clothing, and medical care, and also he was rescuing them from that awful beast, the slave trader.

This was part of the moral rational behind the confederacy's outlawing of the slave trade, but not existing slavery itself.

 

Just south of Jacksonville, Fla. there is a historical park called the Kingsly Plantation. It was African-American owned. It had African slaves. The contribution of Blacks to the US of A during the Revolutionary war and through the Civil War has many storied accounts and should not be dismissed. To this day many African-Americans are Patriotic and serve our nation with honor and distinction.

So what happened then has happened and there is no turning back from it. It was a different time and there was much suffering. We just need to remember that we do not want it to happen again. IMHO we are better as a nation for it.

I think that our Black neighbors have more of an American experience than most White/Caucasian Americans do. Most White Americans can only trace their lineage back to the years of immigration. On my father's side we go back to the 3rd generation from me. On my mother's side we go back to just before the Civil War when there were many Germanic people fleeing the Prussian Empire. While there are some traces of lineage back to the founding fathers there aren't any direct blood lines. On my father's side my great Grandmother's maiden name was Sumner. She was the niece of the Honorable Senator Charles Sumner a Massachusetts antislavery Republican.

http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/minute/The_Caning_of_Senator_Charles_Sumner.htm

We must honor the contribution of African-Americans. In all due respect they are a deep part of the American soul. If you look in the face of a Black man you are looking back to the very discovery of America. Chances are, his lineage goes back to the very first Spanish Colonies.

Think about it.

 

Thanks for the url. I propose we scratch the legalizations of slavery and use it after declaring our independence from King George.

 

Does Article IV of the U.S. Constitution prove the Supreme Court ruled correctly in the Dred Scott decision? It seems to me that it does.

 

Yes. the Dred Scott decision followed the Constitution.

 

I like the part where the Confederate government had the right to "meddle" with the Post Office

"After such and such date---we're cuttin' you off!!! No more government assistance for you!!!!"

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Going to war over the postal system seems logical!!!! Imagine some Yankee "drawin' a bead" on blackbird's head because blackbird didn't like the way his mail was being delivered!!!!:laugh:

 

Interesting Bitsy, thanks... :thumbs:

I had been thinking one way to reduce the size of government would be to reduce the number of representatives to one per state. This cost savings would be enormous when you consider their salary, staff, travel, offices etc... The purpose of having representatives is now archaic with modern technoligies and instead of having the people represented why not let the people vote?

I see now this would be amending the constitution which was something I didn't think of.

 

I think most if not all of us today in the U.S. are glad we don't have slavery in our country. But way back when I was in collage I found that the Cherokee owned slaves and blacks owned slaves and whites owned slaves, that was a shock to me, I knew about every one but for the Cherokee's.
My question is when will slavery be done away with across our world today? I keep reading more and more about it, that is sad.