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Creflo Dollar

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  1. Dr.Tim

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    Greetings to all. Just a question that a deaf person could never know the answer to... I was watching Creflo Dollar the other day (few Christian programs are captioned) and noticed the captioning..while he was teaching it said "(speaking in tongues)" and then went on with the message. I was watching the man's mouth and can read lips on expert level.. eeeekkkk

    What is the point of it? During the teaching he mumbles one phrase in tongues... I thought that most often they prayed in tongues.. but this is a new one for me.. in the middle of teaching he mumble one phrase without the jerking, shuddering, convulsing,.... like it was simply a parenthetical spoken in spanish.. whats up??????????????
     
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    I saw/heard Tilton (I think is his name) do that on TV, several years ago. He's just be talking away and suddenly start speaking jibberish, just like it was part of the sentence. Amazing. Sure I'll send him a $1000.

    NOT
     
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    Some of these men train their congregations to "speak in tongues."
     
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    Ofcourse they do, it's a relatively simple parlor trick anybody can learn.
     
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    Once while watching a bit of TBN the group of Lady "preachers", the one with Tammy Fae, were on and one of them was getting all excited and then started saying a bunch of nonsensical hebraic and greek words. I think most of what people call tongues to day is nonsense jibberish. Besides what good is it with out somebody to interpret.
     
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    Speaking in Tongues = $$$$$$$$ for the TV preacher. Tongues as a gift have passed long long ago. On TV they are just a money making tool. Tongues uttered by well intentioned christians are just a result of poor teaching, not done with any intention of doing wrong, in fact, quite the opposite.

    Dr. Tim, welcome to the BB. Thanks for the post and the good question!!!!

    In Christ,
    Brian
     
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  7. Dr.Tim

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    ok.. so the man is speaking in tongues. I did one of my Masters papers on the charismatic movement and know a little bit about that, but Creflo is one that will break out in the middle of the sentence and start that..just for a few seconds.
    I remember the "two-tongues" theory by the Hunter family saying one was earthly, and one was heavenly. Since none of you have mentioned what language Creflo was speaking, I assume it was not "of this earth" .
     
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    Tim, I can't speak to Creflo's particular beliefs, as I haven't heard him do this.

    I can't recall hearing this kind of thing too many times (a preacher breaking into tongues in midsentence); the references to Robert Tilton may speak for themselves in this regard.

    I think it's fascinating how quickly, though, a serious question can degrade into Pentecostal-bashing around here. A true testament to the level of Christian maturity in these parts.
     
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  9. Dr.Tim

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    sorry man, not trying to stir the pot. So many things come up and most of them are visible (holy laughter, slain in spirit, etc) but this one came out on the captioning box and puzzled me. I dont strike at the Pentecostals unless I am forced into it by them. Most of them know what they believe, and what I believe and its left peacefully at that. We all know one of us is wrong.
     
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    But is being "right" in this so important?
     
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  11. Marcia

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    The issue of tongues with Creflo Dollar is not the issue. He's Word Faith all the way, baby!

    Like other WF teachers, he teaches the heresy that Jesus went to hell to pay for sins:
    More on the Dollar man:
    http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/arechristiansequal.htm

    http://www.letusreason.org/Poptea16.htm
     
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    Double post
     
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    Double post
     
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  14. Dr.Tim

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    Being right on this issue is of course extremely important. Those of us who are pastors are often approached by people who wish to receive the fullness of blessings concerning salvation. If speaking in tongues is, indeed, real and our churches are not teaching this, then there is a problem. My point is I havent seen anyone speak in tongues in the middle of a teaching session where he is showing absolutely no excitement, almost as though the Spirit is placing its stamp of approval on the teaching.
     
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    TP, I am sorry if you felt my comment was pentecostal bashing. It was not meant in that light. It was just ment to be informative. I am pretty confident I am seen as someone who goes out of his way not to bash. Anyway, please accept my apology.

    Dr. Tim, I guess I didn't understand what you were saying. Are you saying used in the way you saw it put a spot of doubt in you that Tongues have ceased?

    In Christ,
    Brian
     
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  16. Dr.Tim

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    Briguy.. no it really didnt have anything to do with my personal beliefs, it pertains to the practice of those who do this on tv. I have seen people praying in tongues but I have never seen someone teaching then say something in a tongue without change of facial expression or any hint of change in language and just go back to teaching again without breaking stride.

    tim
     
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    Briguy,

    I'm afraid thats simply not true. Its not scripture, but there is wisdom in it:

    Dont throw the baby out with the bathwater.

    God bless,

    Mike
     
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    Tragic Pizza,

    Its a sad thing, isnt it?

    "Lets not take the time to *actually listen* to what a particular pentecostal, or a particular WOFer is teaching. No, instead of that, because they are one of (((them))), lets...."

    Demonize them!

    I have the same problems as anyone else does about SOME pentecostals and SOME charismatics and SOME WOFers.

    But they are not all the same, and they deserve to not be labeled and demonized


    Sadly,

    Mike
     
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  19. Briguy

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    Dr. Tim, Thank you for the clarification.

    Guys, In my post about Tongues being gone I said that many who practice Tongues are well intentioned. Ok, I guess I said it was the opposite of having wrong intentions but to me that meant good intentions. We have had a lot of debates on Tongues here on the BB. It seems to me as a rule, the weightier Biblical evidence falls on the side of those of us that believe tongues were a real gift but their purpose was for a specific time. They were a "sign". That cannot be argued. Signs always point to things. Road signs are the best example of this. When a road sign says "curve ahead" we know a curve is coming and when we pass the curve the "curve ahead" signs are gone. Tongues are a "sign" pointing to something and they end after that something is done. That is the nature of a sign. The only debate can be what is that "something" and when does or did it occur. The Bible indicates what the "something" is by quoting Isaiah 28 in 1 Corinth. 14. So, anyway, anyone serious about the truth in regards to tongues should dig for themselves at where I left off. I'll leave the conclusion up to the "digger" as not to impose my opinion at this time.

    Again, I just say I am sorry if anything I write sounds like bashing. It is hard to say that some people practice something in Biblical error without coming across as close-minded or self righteous. I am not a strict fundamentalist at all. In fact, my family loves American Idol, we make a big deal out of it every week. [​IMG]

    In Christian Love and concern,
    Brian
     
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  20. Dr.Tim

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    To be honest, its not always the Baptists going after the charismatics. One of the local Assemblies of God preachers asked me to meet him in Picadilly one Sunday afternoon. When I arrived, there were probably 15 other people at his table. He began to attack me and those who were Baptist at his table and wanted to debate on several issues.
    I cant tell you how many times the Pentecostals have tried to bash me. Many tell me my church is dead because we do not speak in tongues, etc.
    One local non-denominational church has grown quite a bit and I have known several of the members there for quite some time. One of them left, and when i asked him why, he said the music was good, the praise was good, but the preaching was mediocre. On the other hand, one of the deaf members there told me she left my church to go to that church because that church had "power".... power to heal, cast out demons, etc.

    Two sides of every argument, I guess.

    tim
     
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