Dan 12, NASB, and dispensationalism

[TomVols]

Some point to Daniel 12:1 as showing the NASB has a dispensational bias:

Now at that time Michael, the great prince who stands guard over the sons of your people, will arise. And there will be a time of distress such as never occurred since there was a nation until that time; and at that time your people, everyone who is found written in the book, will be rescued.

I don't see this as much different from the ESV:

At that time shall arise Michael, the great prince who has charge of your people. And there shall be a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time. But at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone whose name shall be found written in the book.

Or the TNIV:

At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered.

Am I missing something here?

 

[preachinjesus]

I don't think you're missing anything. The translation will, of course, only get you halfway.

Check out a couple different commentary notes on this:
http://books.google.com/books?id=9TgOVf3ffD0C&lpg=PP1&dq=daniel&pg=PA156#v=onepage&q=&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=F8EEY610xeAC&lpg=PP1&dq=daniel&pg=PA165#v=onepage&q=&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=yZmU7EwvqocC&lpg=PP1&dq=daniel&pg=PA209#v=onepage&q=&f=false

The translation gets you about halfway. The Hebrew is straightforward. (I translated this passage a couple of months ago on behalf of a pastor friend who was working through the book.)

The theology is the rest. Is Daniel preterist or futurist? That is the beginning point of your investigation. Is this section dealing with the coming destruction of Jerusalem or something more significant?

Lots of good questions.

Just remember to read the passage in context (remove the verse and chapter numbers) and see the flow. It is a strong passage advocating for a premillenial view.

 

[TomVols]

The question is not whether the passage is premil or not. The question is does the NASB lean more to a premil or dispy view than another translation.

 

[ituttut]

The question is not whether the passage is premil or not. The question is does the NASB lean more to a premil or dispy view than another translation.

To tell you the truth, I don't know how I ended up in Bible Versions/Translations. I endeavor to stick to the General, or Baptist Theology and Bible Study. I'll tell you now I am not at Greek or Hebrew Scholar, but as a dispensationalist Baptist Christian, I do delve into subjects that concern premil, pretrib, and the dispensations of God. I believe He dispenses His Grace as He sees fit, at all times, but lets us know in what dispensation we live in, and how His Grace is applied, as we all live.

I stand with you here, as I personally see nothing amiss, as they all point to the Tribulation, and that is Dispensational, for it is in Prophecy.

 

[preachinjesus]

The question is not whether the passage is premil or not. The question is does the NASB lean more to a premil or dispy view than another translation.

Well I guess I misunderstood the purpose of the OP.

In terms of recent translations I think it can be reasonably argued that the NASB and HCSB are a tad shaded towards the dispensational viewpoint. Now I did look up the list of NASB and NASU translators and, because of the nature of my schedule this past week, could not do the due diligence in running their names down theologically. None of them stood out to me as dispensational though.

 

[swaimj]

Maybe it's just that the Bible has a dispensational bias.:smilewinkgrin:

 

[TomVols]

Maybe it's just that the Bible has a dispensational bias.:smilewinkgrin:

Nah, couldn't be that :laugh: