De-railing Politics

[Sapper Woody]

There is a disturbing trend on this portion of the forum. Basically, someone will start a discussion on politics, and then someone will try and de-rail the thread by saying something like, "Politics are useless" or "It doesn't matter who you vote for".

If the question is "Who are you voting for?" or "Why are you voting for so and so?" and someone replies "It doesn't matter who you vote for" you've just become a troll, and de-railed the thread.

It bothers me that some on here cannot allow a discussion on things without stooping to this kind of disrespect to others.

 

[carpro]

Now we have a new tactic. A new poster comes in and announces they are not interested in politics, tells us how unchristian we are if we're interested...

then promptly launches a political discussion. :laugh:

New verse. Same song. Dishonesty reigns.

 

[saturneptune]

I have been through many phases in politics since being able to vote. I grew up in Gulfport, MS, from a very conservative family. As a teen, and having been alive through the Kennedy assasination, and being rebelious as teens are, I latched onto Robert Kennedy as a good candidate for President. Well, we know how that turned out. My first vote was in 1972, and voted for Nixon, as the economy seemed to be improving and we were getting out of Vietnam. I even got to shake his hand while in the service. Well, we know how Nixon turned out also.

By 1976, I thought we needed a change, and a southerner was running, so I voted for Carter. This is the only Democrat vote I have ever cast for President. Strike three, we saw how that turned out.

From 1980 on, I did not pay much attention, and voted Republican when the election rolled around. From 1988 on however, I did notice a slow but definite deterioration in the Republican Party as far as conservatism and principles. To me, McCain was the last straw of Republican liberalism. I voted for him for lack of anything better to do.

Shortly after than, I joined the Consitution Party and became active in it. I was actually a delegate to the 2008 National Convention. That turned out to be an eye opener. First of all, I was the only delegate from our state to show up. The rest of the delegates there seemed more interested in party time than grass roots work. I was so disguisted coming back hom, after wasting several hundered dollars in expenses and time, that I rejoined the Republican Party despite Romney.

During this time on BB, I argued with many voting for Romney. I finally decided to vote for him despite him not being a Christian and pro abortion and gay rights while governor of MA because he will do less damage than Obama. It is not a positive vote. I have come to the conslusion the only way to make a change is from within the Republican Party.

The thing is, one must start right after the election. We learned nothing in 2008, as evidenced by the quality of the nominee. Maybe next time we will.

There was a time when both candidates were acceptable, and one could choose on positive qualities, but not in the last several elections.

 

[Ceegen]

Now we have a new tactic. A new poster comes in and announces they are not interested in politics, tells us how unchristian we are if we're interested...

then promptly launches a political discussion. :laugh:

New verse. Same song. Dishonesty reigns.

Just because I'm talking about politics, doesn't mean I am advocating a vote for a person or piece of legislation. You go ahead and argue about who's the beast -oops I mean best- person to lead us and save us from ourselves. Do you not see how foolish that is, as a Christian?

You say dishonesty reigns, and then make a thread about... What exactly? Simply to mock me, and say how foolish I am? Who here is really being dishonest about their intentions?

While Obama might have passed the "Affordable Care Act", Bush passed the "PATRIOT Act". What do these two pieces of legislation have in common? They both restrict our perceived freedoms that are found in the US Constitution, which was written by a bunch of men who were self-avowed Atheists or Agnostics. Benjamin Franklin was a Satanist, through and through. Most of, if not all, were Freemasons.

They all rebelled against the Monarchy of England, which was a power appointed over them while in the flesh. Did it really matter if England, France, Spain or any other country was in charge of the colonies? Because only in Jesus are we truly free, and it doesn't matter what government is in charge, God will make sure that we get the truth no matter what. No system [government] will ever be perfect, and evil people will always corrupt it, but the Word of God is perfect and uncorruptable even though evil tries to do so from within the church... Just as they do from within the government.

Is one political party is any different than the other? It's all evil. Every last bit of it.

 

[InTheLight]

...the US Constitution, which was written by a bunch of men who were self-avowed Atheists or Agnostics. Benjamin Franklin was a Satanist, through and through. Most of, if not all, were Freemasons.

Oh boy...someone needs to quit reading alternative history books.

 

[InTheLight]

Just because I'm talking about politics, doesn't mean I am advocating a vote for a person or piece of legislation.

You say dishonesty reigns, and then make a thread about... What exactly? Simply to mock me, and say how foolish I am? Who here is really being dishonest about their intentions?

Actually, when I read Sapper Woody's post about de-railing threads your name didn't come to my mind. There were others, but not yours.

 

[Arbo]

Benjamin Franklin was a Satanist, through and through.

This statement does damage to your credibility.

 

[Arbo]

You go ahead and argue about who's the beast -oops I mean best- person to lead us and save us from ourselves. Do you not see how foolish that is, as a Christian?

I cannot speak for others here, but I do not live an existence sequestered in some baptist monastery. I live in the real world, specifically the United States. As a citizen, I have a stake in how it is governed and the right to state my opinion and cast my vote according to my view of how it should be run.

Others here have the same right.

The condemnation you have expressed in multiple holier-than-thou rants seems to ignore the fact that we have these rights. Do you not see how foolish that is?

 

[Ceegen]

This statement does damage to your credibility.

How so? He was a member of the "Hellfire Club" in England. He was a married man who frequently had affairs with other women and was not above paying for the company of a lady.

"Here is my Creed: I believe in one God, Creator of the Universe. That He governs it by his Providence. That he ought to be worshipped. That the most acceptable Service we can render to him, is doing Good to his other Children…. I think the System of Morals [devised by Jesus] and his Religion as he left them to us, the best the World ever saw, or is likely to see; but I apprehend it has received various corrupting Changes, and I have with most of the present Dissenters in England, some Doubts as to his Divinity." - Benjamin Franklin

What God does he believe in, if he doesn't believe what God said? Especially all the stuff about Jesus? He was a Freemason, and the "god" of Freemasonry is Lucifer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BMgX1E5ij4
(A ~2 minute video of a high level freemason, admitting that he is "pure and wholesom" like... Lucifer.)

Albert Pike, a Confederate general of no imporantance what-so-ever, also a Freemason who wrote the "bible" (Morals and Dogma) for Freemasons, has a statue right in Washington DC. In his book, he writes of "god" as the "Great Architect of the universe". "Architect" implies that this "god" they worship (despite their claims that Freemasonry isn't a religion), is not a creator but one who worked with materials already available... And is none other than Lucifer, the very same Lucifer that is in the bible. They don't worship the Creator God, YHVH!

Now, why is this? Why do these people believe this, and yet, we totally disregard their beliefs when considering who and what they represent?

I strongly encourage you to watch "Aquarius - The Age of Evil" by Keith Thompson, here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptjUhuv90vs
It is long, but it covers the origins of Freemasonry and its connection to the occult, along with other tidbits of information you may find interesting.

 

[InTheLight]

You realize that you posted Benjamin Franklin was a satanist and then you quote him as saying he believes in God the Creator of the universe that He deserves to be worshiped.

 

[Arbo]

You realize that you posted Benjamin Franklin was a satanist and then you quote him as saying he believes in God the Creator of the universe that He deserves to be worshiped.

ITL- You beat me to it.:thumbsup:

 

[Ceegen]

I cannot speak for others here, but I do not live an existence sequestered in some baptist monastery. I live in the real world, specifically the United States. As a citizen, I have a stake in how it is governed and the right to state my opinion and cast my vote according to my view of how it should be run.

Others here have the same right.

The condemnation you have expressed in multiple holier-than-thou rants seems to ignore the fact that we have these rights. Do you not see how foolish that is?

I'm only trying to show you things from my perspective. If you don't like the message, that's fine, you're welcome to disagree regardless of what I say. You're free to do what you want, vote how you want, and whatever else it is you want. But I am not being... "Holier than thou". I admit I am a sinner. But don't mock and belittle me, look at what I am actually saying and consider for a moment if it might be true. Don't take my word for it, go see for yourself, and pray to God for results. Truth is stranger than fiction, and God reveals all.

No law will change the minds of men to not do evil. Restrictive gun legislation hasn't kept people from getting guns to commit crimes. Laws against drunk driving hasn't stopped anyone from killing a whole family after a wild night on the town. Laws that call for the creation of yet another alpha-bet soup agency hasn't stopped terrorism. Laws that demand we buy health insurance hasn't kept people from getting sick. More money for education hasn't made our children smarter. Income taxes haven't kept rich people from getting filthy rich. And on and on it goes!

But no, I don't see how foolish it is of me to try and get people to understand that voting is pointless. "They" rig the vote in many ways, and will pass legislation regardless of popular opinion, like the ACA. They will have their world government, either under the force of violence or through the passing of laws, but it will happen.

And for what? What is all of this building up to? What possible reason is it all for?

In ancient times, they built a tower in Babylon, to seek their own salvation. Today is no different, but this tower they are building now is not made of brick.

 

[Ceegen]

You realize that you posted Benjamin Franklin was a satanist and then you quote him as saying he believes in God the Creator of the universe that He deserves to be worshiped.

And yet you totally ignore the fact that he denies that Jesus is the Son of God in that quote? And you totally ignored what I said about Freemasons worshiping Lucifer, and that they think that Lucifer is "god"?

Benjamin Franklin believed in "god" all right, but it isn't the same God we believe in. Just like Muslims who call out to "allah" do so in error.

There are many lies, but only one truth.

 

[Crabtownboy]

It certainly did not take this thread long to be derailed.

Concerning the OP, yes threads are often derailed very quickly and it is a shame. It would be very refreshing to have a reasoned, rational discussion on many of the topics.

If this BB is an accurate representation of our society then it becomes painfully clear that the art of discussion has been lost in our society.

Topics can be discussed without insults or name calling, but apparently not here.

It will be interesting to see irrational and sophomoric derailing responses to this reply

 

[LadyEagle]

CTB, you are correct. This thread is de-railed. This thread is not about Benjamin Franklin, Free Masonry, Satanism, etc. Let's keep on topic. Thanks.

Lady Eagle
Moderator

 

[Salty]

There is a disturbing trend on this portion of the forum. Basically, someone will start a discussion on politics, and then someone will try and de-rail the thread by saying something like, "Politics are useless" or "It doesn't matter who you vote for". ...It bothers me that some on here cannot allow a discussion on things without stooping to this kind of disrespect to others.

I think what happens sometimes is that the first person will go off 1 degree (not a big problem) the second person goes 8 degrees off topic ( a little problem) the third person goes 15 degrees off topic..... until we are 180 degrees.....
So it happens little by little (and I have been guilty as well)

But Woody, I agree with you - if a questions is asked - please answer that question - not a question you would like to answer. Another words - don't be a politician:smilewinkgrin:

 

[mandym]

the US Constitution, which was written by a bunch of men who were self-avowed Atheists or Agnostics. Benjamin Franklin was a Satanist, through and through. Most of, if not all, were Freemasons.

You have just lost all credibility.

 

[InTheLight]

look at what I am actually saying and consider for a moment if it might be true. Don't take my word for it, go see for yourself,

In ancient times, they built a tower in Babylon, to seek their own salvation.

OK. I'll take your advice. Your statement is not true. The tower of Babylon was built out of pride to consolidate humans in one central location, not to seek their own salvation.

 

[Zaac]

I cannot speak for others here, but I do not live an existence sequestered in some baptist monastery. I live in the real world, specifically the United States. As a citizen, I have a stake in how it is governed and the right to state my opinion and cast my vote according to my view of how it should be run.

Others here have the same right.

The condemnation you have expressed in multiple holier-than-thou rants seems to ignore the fact that we have these rights. Do you not see how foolish that is?

And on the flipside, many act holier than thou as though he doesn't have the same right to express disdain with the political system just because y'all don't.

 

[Zaac]

There is a disturbing trend on this portion of the forum. Basically, someone will start a discussion on politics, and then someone will try and de-rail the thread by saying something like, "Politics are useless" or "It doesn't matter who you vote for".

If the question is "Who are you voting for?" or "Why are you voting for so and so?" and someone replies "It doesn't matter who you vote for" you've just become a troll, and de-railed the thread.

It bothers me that some on here cannot allow a discussion on things without stooping to this kind of disrespect to others.

It depends. If he's telling you he ain't voting for the two main party candidates and is voting for candidate c who doesn't have the same issues as the other two, what's the problem?

It's as though folks on messageboards want everybody to pat them on the back and agree with the awesome statement they made, and there is no room for anyone to say anything against that position.:laugh:

And what is this troll thing that some like to call folks? Why are some calling folks names that aren't the same as the name they sign in with?