Featured Definition of Calvinism???

That sounds just about right going by what some that support that view have posted on here.

 

CALVINISM DEFINED IN 1 VERSE

John 6:44

• "No one can come to Me [Total Inability]
• unless the Father who sent Me [Unconditional Election]
• draws him; [Irresistible Grace]
• and I will raise him up on the last day.” [Preservation of the Saints]

 

This verse {Jn 6:44} does not say anywhere that all who are drawn must come! Instead it is saying that all who come must have been drawn!

But you missed the qualifier in the next verse.
John 6:45
... THEY SHALL ALL BE TAUGHT BY GOD.'
Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me.

While all may hear it is only those that also learn who will come to Christ Jesus. So context once again shows that Calvinism is wrong.

 

Salvation is all of God.

Those that are not Chosen are clearly defined and pointed out, by God, in The Bible

Are Some Really Prepared For Destruction?

. The appointment of them to wrath and damnation; in this they were viewed as sinful, fallen creatures; this decree is meant by their being "reserved in everlasting chains under darkness, unto the judgment of the great day", (Jude 1:6; 2 Peter 2:4) for by chains are meant the purposes and decrees of God, by which they are bound and held fast, and from which they cannot loose themselves; and as the decrees of God are called "mountains of brass", (Zech. 6:1) so they may be called chains of iron and brass for the same reasons; namely, their firmness, mutability, and duration; they are "everlasting" chains, and in these they are reserved under darkness; meaning either the state of darkness in which they are, being deprived of that light and knowledge they had; and also being under horror and black despair, without the least gleam of the light of joy and comfort; or that state of darkness to which they are appointed and reserved, even that "blackness of darkness" to which the wandering stars, as these may be said to be, are reserved, (Jude 1:13) and moreover they are appointed and reserved "to the judgment of the great day", to the great day of the last judgment; when they will be brought forth in chains before the judgment seat of Christ, and will have their final sentence passed and executed on them, which as yet seems not to have been done, (Matthew 8:29) then will Christ sit on the throne of judgment, and saints will stand by, together with the good angels, as approvers of the righteous sentence: and therefore saints are said to "judge angels", as well as the world of the ungodly, (1 Cor. 6:2, 3) that is, the evil angels, to which judgment they are appointed by the decree of God; and to endure eternal wrath and damnation; signified by "everlasting fire, prepared", in the decrees and purposes of God, "for the devil and his angels" (Matthew 25:41)

 

Actually what you pointed out are all those that have made the choice not to follow God. God will judge them for the choice. Once again you just show how free will is found in the bible.

 

The all in Jn 6 45 are the ones drawn in Vs 44. The drawing is the result of New Birth. All who are drawn will come, for God causes them to come willingly.

 

You are reading your Calvinist views into the text. As long as you continue to do that you will be in error. The bible is not a book of one liners as most Calvinists treat it. Context is a concept that most Calvinists fail to understand.

 

John 6:44-45 [NASB95]

44 "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day. 45 "It is written in the prophets, 'AND THEY SHALL ALL BE TAUGHT OF GOD.' Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me.​

One group … all of the following:

• Came to Jesus
• Drawn by Father
• Raised on the last day
• Heard and learned FROM THE FATHER
• comes to Jesus.

Not in that group …
John 6:43 [NASB95]

43 Jesus answered and said to them, "Do not grumble among yourselves.​

 

Silverhair, you are reading your humanist views into the text. As long as you continue to do that you will be in error. The bible is not a book of one liners as most humanists treat it. Context is a concept that most humanists fail to understand.

 

You trying your best to get around the Truth. The all of Jn 6:45 are the same ones drawn by the Faiher.in Jn 6:44

 

All men naturally do not seek after God, the True God that is. Rom 3:11

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

 

Were they not the ones that Christ was talking to? He was telling them that those that heard and believed/learned would come to Him.

 

Your still going on about nothing as usual there Austin.

 

Actually only those that hear and believe are drawn but that is something that you deny as you do not trust scripture.

 

Actually only those who are drawn, hear and believe.

 

You cant hear spiritually and believe unless you are drawn by God.

 

Act 17:22 So Paul stood in the midst of the Areopagus and said, "Men of Athens, I observe that you are very religious in all respects.
Act 17:23 "For while I was passing through and examining the objects of your worship, I also found an altar with this inscription, 'TO AN UNKNOWN GOD.' Therefore what you worship in ignorance, this I proclaim to you.
Act 17:24 "The God who made the world and all things in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands;
Act 17:25 nor is He served by human hands, as though He needed anything, since He Himself gives to all people life and breath and all things;
Act 17:26 and He made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation,
Act 17:27 that they would seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us;
Act 17:28 for in Him we live and move and exist, as even some of your own poets have said, 'For we also are His children.'
Act 17:29 "Being then the children of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and thought of man.
Act 17:30 "Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring to men that all people everywhere should repent,
Act 17:31 because He has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness through a Man whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all men by raising Him from the dead."

Paul would disagree with you on that point. God expects man to seek for Him and will respond to those that do.

Rom 3:10-18 is a midrash, something I have pointed out to people on here a number of times, The fact you do not like that it is does not change what it is.
Paul takes some Old Testament passages of Scripture seemingly out of their natural contexts and applies them to all people in general. He does this to emphasize the fact that all have sinned, both Jew and Gentile, and all are deserving of God’s wrath.
Rom 3:19 Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God;
Rom 3:20 because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

Now if you had just kept reading you would see that your idea is not supported by scripture.

Rom 3:21 But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
Rom 3:22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;
Rom 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Rom 3:24 being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;
Rom 3:25 whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed;
Rom 3:26 for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

See context will clear up all your misconceptions. Man can and does seek God and those that trust in the Son will be saved.

 

That's a nice theory but not reality. But you will hold to it as you can not conceive of anyone actually being able to think for themselves. Your determinism is your blind spot.

 

You're still going on about nothing as usual there Silverhair.