Dem Pollsters: If Democrats ignore health-care polls, midterms will be costly

[carpro]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/11/AR2010031102904.html

If Democrats ignore health-care polls, midterms will be costly


By Patrick H. Caddell and Douglas E. Schoen
Friday, March 12, 2010

In "The March of Folly," Barbara Tuchman asked, "Why do holders of high office so often act contrary to the way reason points and enlightened self-interest suggests?" Her assessment of self-deception -- "acting according to wish while not allowing oneself to be deflected by the facts" -- captures the conditions that are gripping President Obama and the Democratic Party leadership as they renew their efforts to enact health-care reform.

Their blind persistence in the face of reality threatens to turn this political march of folly into an electoral rout in November.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Sometimes doing what is right is costly politically. I sure wish both parties had had enough backbone to stop the invation of Iraq and to stop Bush's spending. I will not live long enough to see the damage repaird done in the first five years of his administration. Your grandchildren will be paying and much poorer for those mistakes.

 

[carpro]

Doing what is wrong,and doing it dishonestly, is even more costly.

That's what's going on here.

You won't live long enough to see the damage repaired that Obama has done in his first year in office.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Doing what is wrong,and doing it dishonestly, is even more costly.

You are right and that is exactly why what the Bush administration did is so destructive.

 

[carpro]

You are right and that is exactly why what the Bush administration did is so destructive.

If you had an ounce of honesty in your body,...

Never mind.

 

[Crabtownboy]

If you had an ounce of honesty in your body,...

Never mind.

I am being very honest. Telling you what I honestly believe. History will show I am correct on this one. Already historians are rating him as the worst president we have had.

See: http://hnn.us/articles/48916.html

98.2% of the historians rated Bush as a failure as president.

61% rated him as the worst president ever.

35% rated him between 30th and 41st ... nothing to be proud of.

4% rated him between 2nd and 30th.

 

[Tom Bryant]

You say that the people who expect their elected representatives to vote the way they want them to are wrong and the historians are right. You are just the leftist elite that our current president loves.

 

[carpro]

With all the hatred for Bush that's eating you up,Crabby, I understand it's hard for you to stay on topic, but do try.

 

[Crabtownboy]

With all the hatred for Bush that's eating you up,Crabby, I understand it's hard for you to stay on topic, but do try.

Oh, I don't hate GB. I feel sorry for him. I see him as a pathetic figure who meant well and did great harm. I do not believe he has any inkling of the harm he did. In his defense I believe he was manipulated by those who surrounded him. But as Harry Truman’s sign stated, “The Buck Stops Here,” and this buck stops with GB. There is nothing to hate in GB. There is much to criticize him for.

 

[carpro]

Oh, I don't hate GB.

Of course you do. It's eating you up.

But that is my final word on that subject.

If you can get past your hate , try to contribute to the actual topic. I will not respond further to your Bush hating off topic posts.

 

[Revmitchell]

You say that the people who expect their elected representatives to vote the way they want them to are wrong and the historians are right. You are just the leftist elite that our current president loves.

:thumbs::thumbs:

 

[rbell]

Sometimes doing what is right is costly politically. I sure wish both parties had had enough backbone to stop the invation of Iraq and to stop Bush's spending. I will not live long enough to see the damage repaird done in the first five years of his administration. Your grandchildren will be paying and much poorer for those mistakes.

Let me get this straight: the same fellow that keeps fussing to others, "stay on topic" just posted this blatantly off-topic item.

How 'bout an apology for dragging this thread off-topic?

(of course, there won't be one...yet another example of CTB's lack of honesty)

 

[targus]

Actually, the vasion of Iraq with the goal of planting a democray in that region is already proving to be the correct decision.

If democracy continues to spread it may well transform that area and ultimately improve global security.

Even the liberal columnists at Newsweek are admitting this.

 

[just-want-peace]

Actually, the vasion of Iraq with the goal of planting a democray in that region is already proving to be the correct decision.

If democracy continues to spread it may well transform that area and ultimately improve global security.

Even the liberal columnists at Newsweek are admitting this.

Bolded mine

However, Crabby doesn't have the latest download from the DNC yet, so he's is still using the old talking points.

Give him a few days & he'll get up to snuff!:thumbs::type:

 

[rbell]

So, CTB, how 'bout an apology?

*crickets*

 

[saturneptune]

See the posters
See them argue between Republicans and Democrats

See the Democrats gain power
See the Republicans gain power
See the deficit go up
UP, UP, UP
See the politicians steal from the American people

See our leaders trash the Constitution

See the posters
See them reelect their leaders

See government expand
See inflation and unemployment rise
See the posters lose their jobs
See the panic

Panic, Panic, Panic

See the posters
See them pay attention while their freedoms are taken away

Now, see the Democrat and Republican posters

 

[KenH]

Excellent post, saturnneptune. Unfortunately, a lot of people treat politics like it is a game and it's all about my side winning - regardless of how they treat other people or the harm they do the country.

 

[just-want-peace]

Excellent post, saturnneptune. Unfortunately, a lot of people treat politics like it is a game and it's all about my side winning - regardless of how they treat other people or the harm they do the country.

Bolded mine

And then again if an alligator is about to grab your infant and a hawk is after your cat, one would expect you to concentrate on the threat of the alligator first.

That is exactly how many of us feel, with the Ds & liberal Rs being the alligators.

I think, if you will acknowledge most of the postings from conservatives, that we aren't so much for the Rs as we are against the Ds.

We keep hoping to work within the system so long as we have a system to work within; which looks less and less likely as the "0" and his minions speed the train toward a collapsed bridge.

 

[Revmitchell]

Excellent post, saturnneptune. Unfortunately, a lot of people treat politics like it is a game and it's all about my side winning - regardless of how they treat other people or the harm they do the country.

This is a blanket statement without any real focus which, in the end, means what?

Why are people on a particular "side"?

 

[NiteShift]

See the posters
See them argue between Republicans and Democrats
Now, see the Democrat and Republican posters

You left out the part about both parties being "born in the pits of hell!!"
You're slipping man.