Democrats Vote Against Election Reform

I have to show a picture ID when I vote here in North Carolina. What is wrong with proving you are who you say you are? For crying out loud you have to show ID to do many things in our society. I certainly see no reason why voting should be any different (mainly with the recent problems). However we should keep in mind that democrats have no interest in fixing the problems. As long as there are voting problems the democrats benefit. How? (1) If they lose they can always blame it on the voting system, or, claim that the evil republicans stole the election. (2) If people do not have to show ID when they vote then anyone can vote claiming to be anyone else. No security, no assurances, someone can vote two or three times under different names. So why would the democratic party want to change that? Both factors work in their favor.

O, and make no mistake about it, the republican party is no different. They just use different issues.

 

Only those who are dishonest and have dishonest intentions would have a problem with validating who the voter is. Of course without ID it is easier to claim voter fraud.

 

I believe the ballot should have to be written in plain english instead of legal mubo jumbo. We have an item on the ballot that no one knew if yes was for it or against it. i say reform all of it and get rid of the electoral college.

 

Good Idea!:thumbs:

 

Let's not!

The electoral college system helps our elections obtain a clear winner. Just think of all the problems we would have had during the 2000 election if the electoral college systems hadn't worked as well as it did. Allegations of voter fraud were mostly confined to Florida, but if there was a simple-majority popular vote, there would have been allegations and corruption everywhere.

For your consideration:

http://www.interocitor.com/archives/000159.html

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/2001/01-01-2001/vo17no01_electoral.htm

EDIT:

Here's a very good article on Wikipedia that discusses the pro and con arguments, as well as provide historical context for the discussion:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College

 

>get rid of the electoral college.

Terrible idea. The president would then be elected by New York, New Jersey, Illinois, California, Michigan, and Texas. None of the other 42 states would matter. The USofA would be like the 13th century Italian city-states connected by wilderness.

 

I'd be a lot more comfortable if they addressed the documented cases of fraud, such as states falsely accusing people of certain minority groups of being felons to purge them from voting rolls.

It would be nice if they also required that electronic voting machines be hackproof.

But that isn't going to happen.

Guess why.

 

Documentation with no foundation = no conviction

 

Are you saying that you trust the electronic voting machines?

 

Not true at all, those states split their votes like every other state.

The other problem is the electoral college can go against the poular vote so what good is it for you to vote if they can place the states votes contrary to popular.

What if candicates had to win states? In other words, each states election would produce 1 winner. Add those up for the national vote. In the case of a tie, 25 to 25, I would get to cast the deciding vote? Or you could do a run off with only the top two candidates which would eliminate funding to take votes away from a candidate.

 

Barbarian observes:
I'd be a lot more comfortable if they addressed the documented cases of fraud, such as states falsely accusing people of certain minority groups of being felons to purge them from voting rolls.

It would be nice if they also required that electronic voting machines be hackproof.

But that isn't going to happen.

Guess why.

In Florida, state officials admitted that a large, mostly black group of voters had been disinfranchised because they were falsely accused of being felons.

Before a subsequent election, the state of Florida was found to have rigged the system for finding felons so that Hispanic felons (largely Cuban, and mostly republican voters) would not be identified.

 

Sounds like the penalty is not sever enough to deter the crime.

 

Strange as it sounds, it wasn't a crime. Just a "big mistake."

Or so they said. For some reason, the Justice Department overlooked it.

Oh, wait....

 

source please

 

I do remember however that the dems tried to disenfranchise 100's of thousands of military voters.

 

source please