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Denominations are Inevitable

ParticularWife

Active Member
By the decree of God, all things are ordained, including the existence of denominations. The fragmentation of humanity at Babel and the corruption of man's mind and heart due to the Fall make it certain that divisions will arise in the church. Because of these effects, men possess differing perspectives, traditions, biases, and incomplete knowledge, even within the household of faith. This diversity of thought and understanding is inevitable in this present world.

The Holy Spirit, who alone illumines the Word, does so according to the sovereign will of God. Illumination is given in measure, suited to God's purposes, and never exhaustively or instantaneously. Even God's people, redeemed by grace, remain finite and sinful, unable to grasp the fullness of divine truth. Consequently, disagreements about doctrine and practice will arise.

Furthermore, certain questions of church administration and theological conviction are of such significance that they necessitate separate ecclesiastical bodies. While some divisions may arise from poor reasons—pride, ignorance, or selfish ambition—others stem from a faithful desire to preserve the truth and maintain the purity of the church. In such cases, separation is not merely unavoidable but required by obedience to Christ.

It must be emphasized, however, that denominations do not "divide the church." The true church is one, catholic, and apostolic, as it is the body of Christ, gathered and preserved by God through His Word and Spirit. Denominations are simply earthly expressions of this one church, organized according to differing convictions about doctrine, worship, and governance. Just as individual congregations do not fracture the unity of the body, so too denominations do not destroy the unity of the church.

The error of the "me and my Bible" crowd must be exposed. Such an approach is a rebellion against biblical ecclesiology, which commands Christians to submit to the church as an organized body governed by elders, administering the Word and sacraments in Christ's name. Avoidance of denominations and naive Biblicism does not eliminate division but instead fosters chaos and neglects the church's divine mandate.

Indeed, because God sovereignly governs all things, the existence of denominations serves His purposes. They reveal the diversity of gifts within the body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12), preserving various strengths and emphases that contribute to the church's mission in the world. The Reformed tradition, by God's grace, stands firmly upon the truth of Scripture. Yet, we must acknowledge that other traditions may excel in areas where we are weak. God uses even these imperfections to shape and sanctify His church.

Finally, we must remember the "already-not-yet" nature of the kingdom of God. In this present age, the church lives in the tension between her heavenly calling and her earthly imperfections. Denominations, while a sign of this tension, are also a means by which God accomplishes His purposes for His people.

Let us, therefore, cease to grumble against God's providence in the existence of denominations. Instead, let us strive to honor Him through faithful participation in the visible church, recognizing that all things, including denominations, are under His sovereign control and are used for His glory and the good of His people.

Denominations are a Good Thing - Redeemed Zoomer

 

JesusFan

Well-Known Member
By the decree of God, all things are ordained, including the existence of denominations. The fragmentation of humanity at Babel and the corruption of man's mind and heart due to the Fall make it certain that divisions will arise in the church. Because of these effects, men possess differing perspectives, traditions, biases, and incomplete knowledge, even within the household of faith. This diversity of thought and understanding is inevitable in this present world.

The Holy Spirit, who alone illumines the Word, does so according to the sovereign will of God. Illumination is given in measure, suited to God's purposes, and never exhaustively or instantaneously. Even God's people, redeemed by grace, remain finite and sinful, unable to grasp the fullness of divine truth. Consequently, disagreements about doctrine and practice will arise.

Furthermore, certain questions of church administration and theological conviction are of such significance that they necessitate separate ecclesiastical bodies. While some divisions may arise from poor reasons—pride, ignorance, or selfish ambition—others stem from a faithful desire to preserve the truth and maintain the purity of the church. In such cases, separation is not merely unavoidable but required by obedience to Christ.

It must be emphasized, however, that denominations do not "divide the church." The true church is one, catholic, and apostolic, as it is the body of Christ, gathered and preserved by God through His Word and Spirit. Denominations are simply earthly expressions of this one church, organized according to differing convictions about doctrine, worship, and governance. Just as individual congregations do not fracture the unity of the body, so too denominations do not destroy the unity of the church.

The error of the "me and my Bible" crowd must be exposed. Such an approach is a rebellion against biblical ecclesiology, which commands Christians to submit to the church as an organized body governed by elders, administering the Word and sacraments in Christ's name. Avoidance of denominations and naive Biblicism does not eliminate division but instead fosters chaos and neglects the church's divine mandate.

Indeed, because God sovereignly governs all things, the existence of denominations serves His purposes. They reveal the diversity of gifts within the body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12), preserving various strengths and emphases that contribute to the church's mission in the world. The Reformed tradition, by God's grace, stands firmly upon the truth of Scripture. Yet, we must acknowledge that other traditions may excel in areas where we are weak. God uses even these imperfections to shape and sanctify His church.

Finally, we must remember the "already-not-yet" nature of the kingdom of God. In this present age, the church lives in the tension between her heavenly calling and her earthly imperfections. Denominations, while a sign of this tension, are also a means by which God accomplishes His purposes for His people.

Let us, therefore, cease to grumble against God's providence in the existence of denominations. Instead, let us strive to honor Him through faithful participation in the visible church, recognizing that all things, including denominations, are under His sovereign control and are used for His glory and the good of His people.

Denominations are a Good Thing - Redeemed Zoomer
Problem on that body picture though is that Rome and Orthodox both hold to and teach another gospel, as do Lutherans
 

xlsdraw

Active Member
By the decree of God, all things are ordained, including the existence of denominations. The fragmentation of humanity at Babel and the corruption of man's mind and heart due to the Fall make it certain that divisions will arise in the church. Because of these effects, men possess differing perspectives, traditions, biases, and incomplete knowledge, even within the household of faith. This diversity of thought and understanding is inevitable in this present world.

The Holy Spirit, who alone illumines the Word, does so according to the sovereign will of God. Illumination is given in measure, suited to God's purposes, and never exhaustively or instantaneously. Even God's people, redeemed by grace, remain finite and sinful, unable to grasp the fullness of divine truth. Consequently, disagreements about doctrine and practice will arise.

Furthermore, certain questions of church administration and theological conviction are of such significance that they necessitate separate ecclesiastical bodies. While some divisions may arise from poor reasons—pride, ignorance, or selfish ambition—others stem from a faithful desire to preserve the truth and maintain the purity of the church. In such cases, separation is not merely unavoidable but required by obedience to Christ.

It must be emphasized, however, that denominations do not "divide the church." The true church is one, catholic, and apostolic, as it is the body of Christ, gathered and preserved by God through His Word and Spirit. Denominations are simply earthly expressions of this one church, organized according to differing convictions about doctrine, worship, and governance. Just as individual congregations do not fracture the unity of the body, so too denominations do not destroy the unity of the church.

The error of the "me and my Bible" crowd must be exposed. Such an approach is a rebellion against biblical ecclesiology, which commands Christians to submit to the church as an organized body governed by elders, administering the Word and sacraments in Christ's name. Avoidance of denominations and naive Biblicism does not eliminate division but instead fosters chaos and neglects the church's divine mandate.

Indeed, because God sovereignly governs all things, the existence of denominations serves His purposes. They reveal the diversity of gifts within the body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12), preserving various strengths and emphases that contribute to the church's mission in the world. The Reformed tradition, by God's grace, stands firmly upon the truth of Scripture. Yet, we must acknowledge that other traditions may excel in areas where we are weak. God uses even these imperfections to shape and sanctify His church.

Finally, we must remember the "already-not-yet" nature of the kingdom of God. In this present age, the church lives in the tension between her heavenly calling and her earthly imperfections. Denominations, while a sign of this tension, are also a means by which God accomplishes His purposes for His people.

Let us, therefore, cease to grumble against God's providence in the existence of denominations. Instead, let us strive to honor Him through faithful participation in the visible church, recognizing that all things, including denominations, are under His sovereign control and are used for His glory and the good of His people.

Denominations are a Good Thing - Redeemed Zoomer

Baloney.
 

JonC

Moderator
Moderator
Problem on that body picture though is that Rome and Orthodox both hold to and teach another gospel, as do Lutherans
Presbyterians maintained quite a bit of RCC doctrine concerning the gospel (and through them, Particular Baptists did as well). But all of these are related. Each took what they considered true or worth reworking into their own denomination.

BUT denominations were inevitable. They were present when the gospel spread to Gentiles (each church mentioned in the New Testament would be a different denomination by our standards). The difference was they remained united in Christ despite their differences. There was probably some who judged other churches (otherwise God would not have commanded against it).
 

ParticularWife

Active Member
Problem on that body picture though is that Rome and Orthodox both hold to and teach another gospel, as do Lutherans
No, not necessarily. The problems of their ecclesiology and theology can distort the Gospel, and it can create stumbling blocks, and some of them may be actually condemnable beliefs, but the basic gospel message even occasionally comes from TV mega churches and Catholic priests. I do consider the Roman church itself illegitimate, and its claims, but people are still saved in spite of it.
Lutherans believe the same gospel I do. I criticize their excessive fascination with emotional life and "mysteries", but where I disagree with them is mostly where they depart from Martin Luther.
 

JesusFan

Well-Known Member
No, not necessarily. The problems of their ecclesiology and theology can distort the Gospel, and it can create stumbling blocks, and some of them may be actually condemnable beliefs, but the basic gospel message even occasionally comes from TV mega churches and Catholic priests. I do consider the Roman church itself illegitimate, and its claims, but people are still saved in spite of it.
Lutherans believe the same gospel I do. I criticize their excessive fascination with emotional life and "mysteries", but where I disagree with them is mostly where they depart from Martin Luther.
Rome and the Greek/Russian orthodox churches have a works based sacramental gracing system, while Lutheran church to to Baptismal regeneration, so while God can and has saved out people from those groups, truth still is they present another and a false gospel
 

Earth Wind and Fire

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Rome and the Greek/Russian orthodox churches have a works based sacramental gracing system, while Lutheran church to to Baptismal regeneration, so while God can and has saved out people from those groups, truth still is they present another and a false gospel
Lol…. Ya know, I basically agree with you but you are not making any friends with them by being blunt …it appears tactless and callous. Try to see the other persons perception for a while first before you charge in. And I tell you this if you ever want to compel someone to reconsider their stance.
 

JesusFan

Well-Known Member
Lol…. Ya know, I basically agree with you but you are not making any friends with them by being blunt …it appears tactless and callous. Try to see the other persons perception for a while first before you charge in. And I tell you this if you ever want to compel someone to reconsider their stance.
The Apostle Paul and Jesus themselves hit heresy and distorting grace of God head on though
 

ParticularWife

Active Member
Lol…. Ya know, I basically agree with you but you are not making any friends with them by being blunt …it appears tactless and callous. Try to see the other persons perception for a while first before you charge in. And I tell you this if you ever want to compel someone to reconsider their stance.
I don't agree. The gospel is not that complicated as to require getting into baptismal regeneration, and I don't think this is an accurate representation of their beliefs. While Lutherans are worse than Luther on everything, and the Orthodox Church has some really unacceptable theological views, the problem is more holistic than that they "teach a false gospel". It's not like they're Cyrenthus. But, again, these subjects are tedious and I'm leaving the Call.
 

canadyjd

Well-Known Member
@ParticularWife, I understand you touched on this in the opening post, but it seems contrary to say the denominations are simply God’s earthly expressions of His one church, given the differences that abound. Jesus urged unity. Paul urged unity.

You seem to be saying the denominations (even RCC and E. Ortho) are all true expressions of God’s will for His church. Is that not saying all are legitimate, to one extent or another? At what point does a denomination become apostate beyond fellowship.

Peace to you
 

JesusFan

Well-Known Member
I don't agree. The gospel is not that complicated as to require getting into baptismal regeneration, and I don't think this is an accurate representation of their beliefs. While Lutherans are worse than Luther on everything, and the Orthodox Church has some really unacceptable theological views, the problem is more holistic than that they "teach a false gospel". It's not like they're Cyrenthus. But, again, these subjects are tedious and I'm leaving the Call.
They views regarding salvation proper does indeed lead to being into apostasy
 

Earth Wind and Fire

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
@ParticularWife, I understand you touched on this in the opening post, but it seems contrary to say the denominations are simply God’s earthly expressions of His one church, given the differences that abound. Jesus urged unity. Paul urged unity.

You seem to be saying the denominations (even RCC and E. Ortho) are all true expressions of God’s will for His church. Is that not saying all are legitimate, to one extent or another? At what point does a denomination become apostate beyond fellowship.

Peace to you
Have you seen the UMC?
 

canadyjd

Well-Known Member
My sister belongs to to UMC. Their congregation is conservative, compared to the national org. They do allow women to be Pastors.

Where is line for apostasy? Is it just left to each individual to decide, convinced in their own mind, or something more concrete?

Peace to you
 

JesusFan

Well-Known Member
My sister belongs to to UMC. Their congregation is conservative, compared to the national org. They do allow women to be Pastors.

Where is line for apostasy? Is it just left to each individual to decide, convinced in their own mind, or something more concrete?

Peace to you
Would not say apostasy, but would say ignorance concerning biblical teaching regarding spiritual headship and leadership
 

JesusFan

Well-Known Member
We are still commanded by the scriptures' to confront heresy and false teachings and doctrines, especially false gospels and false Christs
 
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