john says
One must get the teaching first beloved.
That is true to, but arminians never recieved the true gospel in the first place, so its still a false doctrine.
Must I say the same to you, I never said men give me anything did I, I said I take every oppotunity didn't I? In season and out of.
Do you take opportunity on other forums like for muslims ? God may have elect in those too. Jesus said
mk 6
11And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence,
shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
Here is a principle you do not follow. It is evident bob and the boys reject the gospel of grace.
Also titus
10A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
either you are disobediant to this principle or you believe armianism , a doctrine of christ that denys salvation by grace, as the bible teaches it , is not heresy. Salvation by grace john is a major bible doctrine ! To deny salvation by grace is no better than denying the virgin birth or the deity of christ.
There are plenty of opportunities to get the word out, thank god for the internet. But you have not the courage to call these people heretics, but you would not hesitate to call a muslim a heretic, a double standard. You say we are not to judge doctrine, but you will judge a jehovah witness uncinverted because of their doctrine, thats inconsistency john.
I am aware of that and I accept people who did not jump through that particular hoop. If someone shows that they have a grasp on the scriptures then that reveals the workings of the Holy Spirit.
How can you tell the holy spirit has worked on a person whose testimony denies salvation by grace ? Thats crazy. The Holy spirit reveals christ and applies the work of christ to the elect !
Jn 16
13Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
14He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
[/B] 15All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
how can a person be worked on by God the Holy spirit and not understand salvation by grace ? John you are showing me that you interject a lot of humanism in your thinking sir. This promise is to the church, the bride of christ.
john, god has used you to make some good points, but I can percieve that you really do not believe that arminanism is a false gospel and a cult like mormonism, if you do not believe that, then you are not a true believer, in fact you are worser to me than bob and them, because you sin against more light...:tonofbricks:
if you believe those who profess armininism are believers, then for the gospel sake, you become my enemie....
