Did Jesus Go To Hell?

[BobRyan]

Originally posted by RedemptionAddiction:
Bob:
In Acts 2 the word is Hades "The place of the dead". It references ALL the dead including King David as we see in Acts 2!

RA:

I would not argue this . . . But Jesus still describes it as a place of flames and torment (Luke 16).

Only in Luke 16 - in which case ONLY the wicked (not David) go there in that parable!

IF David went there and hell is the payment for sins - the 2nd death - THEN he is HIS OWN savior for he paid HIS OWN debt by going to that ultimate place of payment for sins!!

your argument "from parable alone" does not stand.


Bob:
In Matt 10 we see a different term - this is "fiery Ghenna". And there is where "Both Body AND SOUL are DESTROYED".

We know that Christ's body was NOT destroyed. So we know that His soul was not destroyed!

RA:
I would not argue this either.

Bob:
He did not go to hell that is -- "fiery ghenna".

RA:
We can say this for sure-He went to Hades

That much we DO agree with.

RA

, and He himself described it as a place of torment and flames. [/QB]

But only in "parable". We can not take that "doctrine from parable-alone" approach since since in Luke 16 ONLY the wicked go there - while the saints go "sit in Abraham's lap".

We know that in Acts 2 David is NOT "Sitting in Abraham's lap" so but in contradiction to the parable of Luke 16 - he is IN Hades!

Your argument "from parable alone" does not work.

In Christ,

Bob

 

[RedemptionAddiction]

BOB:
Only in Luke 16 - in which case ONLY the wicked (not David) go there in that parable!

IF David went there and hell is the payment for sins - the 2nd death - THEN he is HIS OWN savior for he paid HIS OWN debt by going to that ultimate place of payment for sins!!

your argument "from parable alone" does not stand.

RA:
Few things . . . First you say that hades is described as a place of torment and flames ONLY in Luke 16 . . . As if to say, "Because you only have one scripture telling us what Hades is like, it's not as reliable" But I think that's pretty good, if you ask me. I don't see any reason to discredit it just because I only showed you one scripture. The other thing . . . Where does it say David went to Hades? Acts 2 Peter said David was describing Christ.


Bob:

But only in "parable". We can not take that "doctrine from parable-alone" approach since since in Luke 16 ONLY the wicked go there - while the saints go "sit in Abraham's lap".

RA:
. . . I've heard people call it a parable . . . But where does it say in Luke 16 that it is? Wouldn't we be assuming it? Since it doesn't say it? Then you said only the wicked go there . . . But Acts 2 says Christ's Soul was there.