Did Jesus go to Hell

[BobRyan]

Christ's suffering (supernatural suffering) began in Gehtsemane - before Roman or Jew ever approached him to do him harm.

There He sweat great drops of blood. He stated that his soul was grieved unto death even before the mob took him. His supernatural suffering continued to the point of cross when He cried out with a loud voice "it is finished" and died. At that point the atoning sacrifice REALLY was finished. It had ended exactly when He said it did.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

Post 70 already answered that --



1 Peter 3
14 But even if you should suffer for the sake of righteousness, you are blessed. AND DO NOT FEAR THEIR INTIMIDATION, AND DO NOT BE TROUBLED,
15 but sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence;
16 and keep a good conscience so that in the thing in which you are slandered, those who revile your good behavior in Christ will be put to shame.
17 For it is better, if God should will it so, that you suffer for doing what is right rather than for doing what is wrong.
18 For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the Spirit;

19 in which (in the Spirit) also He went and made proclamation to the spirits (now-inserted) in prison,
20 who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting[/b] in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water


1Pet 1
10 As to this salvation, the prophets who prophesied of the grace that would come to you made careful searches and inquiries,
11 seeking to know what person or time the Spirit of Christ within them was indicating as He predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories to follow.

These are the facts from this text

1. Christ is our example of the good people who suffer – for HE suffered once FOR ALL
2. He suffered and died and after that was made alive once again through the Spirit of God
3. AND it was that same Spirit of Christ that ministered to mankind at the time of the flood during the time when Noah was building the ark. (Noah and Christ being examples of those who minister and work for others)
4. The Spirit of Christ worked in OT people/prophets (like Noah) predicting the gospel story about the Messiah.

 

[TCGreek]

I think that it is referring in the Spirit, He went and preached to them. Christ was then as He is today, just in different form. The problem is not who went and preached to them, it is how He went and preached to them and now we must determined when that happen, and I think it tells us that it was in the days of Noah. How can He go and preach in the days of Noah, when that is long gone.

1. You are doing too much rearranging with the text to fit your conclusion.

2. I'm sorry that the simple parallelism of v. 18 has been lost upon you. V. 19 begins with "In which also, He went..." How could this be the Spirit, I don't know?

3. In His spirit form, Christ went and proclaimed.

 

[BobRyan]

Problem already solved --



1Pet 1
10 As to this salvation, the prophets who prophesied of the grace that would come to you made careful searches and inquiries,
11 seeking to know what person or time the Spirit of Christ within them was indicating as He predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories to follow.

These are the facts from this text

1. Christ is our example of the good people who suffer – for HE suffered once FOR ALL
2. He suffered and died and after that was made alive once again through the Spirit of God
3. AND it was that same Spirit of Christ that ministered to mankind at the time of the flood during the time when Noah was building the ark. (Noah and Christ being examples of those who minister and work for others)
4. The Spirit of Christ worked in OT people/prophets (like Noah) predicting the gospel story about the Messiah.

 

[TCGreek]

What does that have to do with 3:18, 19?

 

[BobRyan]

Peter STARTS the reader out telling them how the "SPIRIT of Christ" was preaching and teaching OT saints and prophets... THEN in 1Peter 3 Peter focusses the reader on the time WHEN Noah was building the ark -- and the work of the Spirit of Christ in preaching EVEN to the people of Noah's day.

Same message - same point.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[TCGreek]

Peter STARTS the reader out telling them how the "SPIRIT of Christ" was preaching and teaching OT saints and prophets... THEN in 1Peter 3 Peter focusses the reader on the time WHEN Noah was building the ark -- and the work of the Spirit of Christ in preaching EVEN to the people of Noah's day.

Same message - same point.

in Christ,

Bob

Who were these prophets and what timespan did they cover?

 

[Brother Bob]

Noah himself for one.

In which also, He went

That "also" is the answer TC;

 

[BobRyan]

Indeed Peter keeps coming back to Noah -- and in 2Peter 2:5 calls him "A preacher of righteousness"

2Peter 1:12 "Men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God"

 

[TCGreek]

Indeed Peter keeps coming back to Noah -- and in 2Peter 2:5 calls him "A preacher of righteousness"

2Peter 1:12 "Men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God"

So we must jump to 2 Peter?

 

[charles_creech78]

Did he really spend three days in Hell?

Where did you get three days in hell. I know he was three days and three night in the heart of the earth. I have never heard he was in hell.

 

[TCGreek]

1. Outside of Genesis 3:15, where else in Genesis, around the time of Noah, do we read of Prophets prohesying about the sufferings and the triumph of Christ as mention in 1 Peter 1:10ff?

2. Your use of 1 Pet.1:10 just doesn't fit.

 

[BobRyan]

We have no reason to believe that prophets prior to Moses wrote things down neither do we see a claim that scripture is an exhuastive record of the first 4000 years of earth's history. We just have to believe Peter when He said that the SPIRIT of Christ was working with OT mankind.

Your argument is not going anywhere TC as Peter has already made it clear that HE considers the Work of Christ in the OT to be through "the Spirit of Christ" and is not something "done while one is dead".

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Brother Bob]

Father, Son and the Holy Ghost and these three are one.

 

[TCGreek]

We have no reason to believe that prophets prior to Moses wrote things down neither do we see a claim that scripture is an exhuastive record of the first 4000 years of earth's history. We just have to believe Peter when He said that the SPIRIT of Christ was working with OT mankind.

1. For example we read, "And all the prophets who have spoken, from Samuel and those who came after him, also proclaimed these days" (Acts 3:24).

2. Peter begins with Samuel and onward, not prior, and it is the same Peter who wrote 1Peter 1:10.

3. Take it up with Peter on this matter.

Your argument is not going anywhere TC as Peter has already made it clear that HE considers the Work of Christ in the OT to be through "the Spirit of Christ" and is not something "done while one is dead".
in Christ,

Bob

4. That doesn't change what 1Peter 3:19, He, Christ, whent and preached to the spirits in prison.

5. Peter prefaces this statement with the actually suffering and resurrection of Christ. He says nothing here about this happening under the OT.

 

[DHK]

Also, I believe Christ's hell was the cross itself when He was forsaken by everyone, including the Father so He could die. I think His soul went to be with the Father while His body lay in the tomb. He said "This day thou shalt be with me in paradise", well it was not going to be His body in paradise, for it was buried in the tomb, so it had to be His soul, after being delivered from the hell of the cross.
IMO
BBob,

You go ahead and believe that Bob. My neighbor is unsaved. He no doubt thinks that his hell is living next door to a Baptist preacher who tells him about a literal hell. At least this preacher believes the Bible literally.

 

[NoShame]

Father, Son and the Holy Ghost and these three are one.

Hi Brother Bob,

Just as an FYI -

Concerning 1 John 5:7 - it's well known that "in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost" are not found in any Greek MSS... those words were hand written in a copy of a manuscript as late as the 5th century and do not appear in ANY early Greek manuscript.

Glen

 

[NoShame]

Hi all,

I'm the new guy around here, :wavey: and would like to pitch my two cents into the discussion concerning 1 Pet 3:19.

"By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison"

The passage starts out "By which"... which is our first clue to go back and see what was spoken of previously.

"For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened [Gk. made alive] by the Spirit:" (1 Pet 3:18)

Jesus was "quickened [made alive] by the Spirit" - "by which" He preached...

The earliest edition of Latin (as well as other early MSS) reads:

"by which he came spiritually, and preached to them that were in prison."

Christ preached "in Spirit" by the same Spirit that raised Him - which could mean that He preached through Noah (by the same Spirit) to those who were disobedient before the flood.

And in verse 19, if Peter referred to the prisoners as "spirits", he wouldn't be the first to do so. John also refers to living mortals as "spirits" -

"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits,"

John was speaking of the "many false prophets" who "are gone out into the world" (1 John 4:1)

To suggest that Christ spoke to disembodied spirits contradicts Scripture -

"the spirit shall return unto God who gave it" (Ecc 12:7).

How could Christ preach to them in Spirit? In the same manner that David did:

"Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas" (Acts 1:16).

... and Stephen:

"And they were not able to resist the wisdom and the spirit by which he spake" (Acts 6:10).

... and Isaiah:

"Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers" (Acts 28:25).

... and many others:

"For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost" (2 Pet 1:21).

Not to mention that Peter tells us the very same thing:

"the Spirit of Christ which was in them [the prophets]" (1 Pet 1:11)

Answering Scripture from Scripture, we can find a definition of "prison". The only one that fits this passage is: being bound up in sin or being blind (i.e. ignorant of the things of the Spirit) (see Psa 142:7 for example). Isaiah also referred to prisoners in the same manner - speaking of a bondage to sin - which definitely applies to those of Noah's day.

I suppose that's long-winded enough for my first real post. I hope this helps in the discussion.

Glen

 

[Brother Bob]

NoShame;
Welcome;
Greek KJV and Strongs

πορευθεντεςμαθητευσατεπανταταεθνηβαπτιζοντεςαυτουςειςτοονοματουπατροςκαιτουυιουκαιτουαγιουπνευματος

Go yethereforeand teachallnationsbaptizingtheminthe nameof the Fatherandof the Sonandof the HolyGhost:

Greek KJV and Strongs
οτιτρειςεισινοιμαρτυρουντες

Forthere arethreethat bear recordinheaventhe Fatherthe Wordandthe HolyGhostandthesethreeareone

οτι τρεις εισιν οι μαρτυρουντες​

οτι τρεις εισιν οι μαρτυρουντες εν τω ουρανω ο πατηρ ο λογος και το αγιον πνευμα και ουτοι οι τρεις εν εισιν​

1. God the Father

2. Son 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.​

3. Holy Ghost Act 1:16 Men [and] brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus.​

​

 

[NoShame]

NoShame;
Welcome;

πορευθεντες μαθητευσατε παντα τα εθνη βαπτιζοντες αυτους εις το ονομα του πατρος και του υιου και του αγιου πνευματος

Go ye therefore and teach all nations baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost:

Hi Brother Bob - thanks for the welcome!

I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to tell me. I just wanted to point out to you that 1 John 5:7 is not accurately published.

Can you tell me exactly what you're trying to say so I could better respond?

Thanks - Glen