Helen said:No sir. Having a sin nature means we WILL sin when we understand the law. It does not mean we ARE sinners from birth. Paul is very clear in Romans 6 and 7 that it takes the law to define sin and without the law sin is dead.
Helen said:
To give a language example of what goes on here -- I can be born with an artistic nature, but I will never be an artist if I do not express it.
I have a 22 year old profoundly retarded son. His IQ is lower than 20, officially, simply because it cannot be measured. He cannot even sort two things, although he is physically quite healthy and active. He has no concept of 'law' or 'right' or 'wrong.' But he sure knows how to sneak food when he is hungry! Is he sinning? Of course not! Does he have a sin nature. He sure does! He is very, very human. Human enough to drive us clear up the wall occasionally.
He has a sin nature, but he is not a sinner. And that simply because he has no concept of the law and so cannot rebel against it. And it is that rebellion against the law which is what sin is.
GE:
I think we don't disagre at all! We just see the same thing from different perspectives. And what is very much consoling to me is that we both find our solace and solutions in Christ.