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Did jesus have To Exercise His faith As We All Do?
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Tom Butler
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I do not believe the omnipotent Creator of the Universe needs to have faith. What he decides to do he can do.
I do not believe the omnipotent Creator of the Universe needs to have faith. What he decides to do he can do.
I agree.
"I and the Father are one." "If you have seen Me you have seen the Father."
He did exercise obedience though.
Then Jesus didn't struggle in all ways as we do, if he didn't have to struggle with faith.
Another way Jesus didn't struggle as a human the way we do is with "guilt" or "shame".. HE never sinned, so he has no idea what forgiveness feels like.. He has no idea of shame.. (except for the feeling of sin on the cross.. but even then he knew it wasn't HIS sin, but ours).. he never had to deal with conviction...
Another way Jesus didn't struggle as a human the way we do is with "guilt" or "shame".. HE never sinned, so he has no idea what forgiveness feels like.. He has no idea of shame.. (except for the feeling of sin on the cross.. but even then he knew it wasn't HIS sin, but ours).. he never had to deal with conviction...
Heb 12:2,3,4 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of the faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds. Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
Does the above imply that whereas we have not resisted unto blood, striving against sin that Jesus did.
Luke 22:44 And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.
How could he have been author of the faith if he did not have nor need faith???
Does the above imply that whereas we have not resisted unto blood, striving against sin that Jesus did.
Luke 22:44 And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.
How could he have been author of the faith if he did not have nor need faith???
psalms109:31
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Faith
Jesus is the word of God made flesh. He has the faith we need. He experienced heaven there was almost nothing Jesus has not seen.
He knew what He was about to face on the cross Psalms 22 for example. The one thing Jesus never knew, really experienced by seeing it in His life. Jesus and the Father are one, they have never been separated. When Jesus became sin for us, He for a brief moment the Father had to turn His back on His only begotten Son. That Jesus for the first time in all eternity, Jesus Cried why have you forsaken me. That also at that time God and sinful man for a brief moment seen each other face to face with unveiled faced. That when we come to God through Jesus Christ as a sinner at the cross we see God face to face with unveiled faces.
This is very hard to express and maybe it would be lost behind words I could never find.
Jesus is the word of God made flesh. He has the faith we need. He experienced heaven there was almost nothing Jesus has not seen.
He knew what He was about to face on the cross Psalms 22 for example. The one thing Jesus never knew, really experienced by seeing it in His life. Jesus and the Father are one, they have never been separated. When Jesus became sin for us, He for a brief moment the Father had to turn His back on His only begotten Son. That Jesus for the first time in all eternity, Jesus Cried why have you forsaken me. That also at that time God and sinful man for a brief moment seen each other face to face with unveiled faced. That when we come to God through Jesus Christ as a sinner at the cross we see God face to face with unveiled faces.
This is very hard to express and maybe it would be lost behind words I could never find.
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convicted1
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wsa part of His coming to earth as a man require Him to opearte from/out of faith, as we all have to today?
To answer the question in one word, "no". He is the Author and Finisher of our faith. So He does not need to exercise faith, because He is the creator of it.
convicted1
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Jesus is the word of God made flesh. He has the faith we need. He experienced heaven there was almost nothing Jesus has not seen.
Would you please elaborate a little more on what I bolded, please? What hasn't Jesus seen? He saw the end from the beginning, so I believe that there is nothing that He has not seen.
He knew what He was about to face on the cross Psalms 22 for example. The one thing Jesus never knew, really experienced by seeing it in His life. Jesus and the Father are one, they have never been separated. When Jesus became sin for us, He for a brief moment the Father had to turn His back on His only begotten Son. That Jesus for the first time in all eternity, Jesus Cried why have you forsaken me. That also at that time God and sinful man for a brief moment seen each other face to face with unveiled faced. That when we come to God through Jesus Christ as a sinner at the cross we see God face to face with unveiled faces.
Well, God had to forsake(seperate Himself from His Son) Jesus when the sin of the whole world was placed upon Him. So, God did seperate Himself for approximately six hours as Jesus hung, bled, and died on the cross.
This is very hard to express and maybe it would be lost behind words I could never find.
I agree. The deep things of God that we see from time-to-time in the bible, can not be expressed with words. Take for instance when we are saved. No amount of words can truly express what we experienced when the weight of sin was taken off of us at the moment of salvation. Words sometimes fall waaaaay short.
i am I AM'S!!
Willis
convicted1
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I do not believe the omnipotent Creator of the Universe needs to have faith. What he decides to do he can do.
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convicted1
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I agree.
"I and the Father are one." "If you have seen Me you have seen the Father."
He did exercise obedience though.
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your fan,
A "nut" from the peanut gallery!!
convicted1
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Heb 12:2,3,4 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of the faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds. Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
Does the above imply that whereas we have not resisted unto blood, striving against sin that Jesus did.
Luke 22:44 And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.
How could he have been author of the faith if he did not have nor need faith???
author
1a : one that originates or creates
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/author
Greek word for author G747 archēgos ἀρχηγός
1) the chief leader, prince
a) of Christ
2) one that takes the lead in any thing and thus affords an example, a predecessor in a matter, pioneer
3) the author
Jesus did not need to exercise faith, because He created faith to begin with.
psalms109:31
Active Member
Would you please elaborate a little more on what I bolded, please? What hasn't Jesus seen? He saw the end from the beginning, so I believe that there is nothing that He has not seen.
i am I AM'S!!
Willis
This is why context is so important.
The one thing Jesus never knew, really experienced by seeing it in His life. Jesus and the Father are one, they have never been separated.
My words can never express what my heart is saying, knowing and experiencing are two different things. We are seeing things by faith in word we know what we are receiving by faith, but it is still unseen by our physical eyes.
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author
1a : one that originates or creates
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/author
Greek word for author G747 archēgos ἀρχηγός
1) the chief leader, prince
a) of Christ
2) one that takes the lead in any thing and thus affords an example, a predecessor in a matter, pioneer
3) the author
Jesus did not need to exercise faith, because He created faith to begin with.
I'm sorry, the following was a question.
Does the above imply that whereas we have not resisted unto blood, striving against sin that Jesus did?
Every one of those in bold say the first. If he Jesus created the faith, which I fully agree with BTW, when was it created? Does Hebrews 12:2 tell you just when it was created?
Gal. 3:23 begins: Before the faith came.
Gal. 3:25 begins: After the faith has come.
You are correct Jesus created the faith by which you are saved.
Why? Why? Why, was it necessary for the Word made flesh, Jesus the only begotten of God the Father, who died for you and me to receive from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit?
Could the HS have been sent to the disciples if Jesus had not received it first? John 16:7 for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you;
If I do not die the HS will not come. Did he struggle/resist with dying even unto blood striving against the sin of not being obedient unto death even the death of the cross?
Is the promise of the Holy Spirit he received from the Father the same promise here?
Gal. 3:19 Wherefore then [serveth] the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; [and it was] ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, How? By the adding of the law. Yes or No?
that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Now the might be given above, by what means might the promise be given?
Because by the faith of Jesus unto dying on the cross? Or.
Because by the faith of those that believe in Jesus?
Remember one can not say Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
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