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Did Jesus suffer God's wrath instead of us?

JonC

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I am starting this thread for room. On a thread about to close due to length @Martin Marprelate claimed he would provide passages stating his belief.

Since a kep point of his faith is God punishing our sins laid on Jesus, Jesus experiencing God's wrath against sin, instead of us, I thought this would be a good place to start.

Why? Because if what Jesus suffered was not God's wrath against our sins then his entire theory is nullified.

Now, I know people can start with that idea and then go to the Bible and say "thats what it really teaches". BUT we can do that with any heresy as well.

So I am interested in the passages @Martin Marprelate (and others) have found in the text of S ripture si.ply stating Jesus suffered God's wrath. I think this is a good start.
 

Alan Dale Gross

Active Member
Since a kep point of his faith is God punishing our sins laid on Jesus, Jesus experiencing God's wrath against sin, instead of us, I thought this would be a good place to start.
"In short, the wrath of God comes upon men either for their sins against the light of nature, or against the Law of God, or against the Gospel of Christ.

"There are some on whom no wrath comes here, nor hereafter; who are the vessels of mercy, afore prepared for glory: concerning whom Jehovah says, "fury is not in me";

"and to whom He is all Love, "Love" itself, #Isa 27:4 1Jo 4:16 being sinners indeed, and transgressors of the law of God, they are children of wrath as others, #Eph 2:3 which phrase not only means that they are serving of Wrath, but that, as they are sinners, they are found guilty of it; and not only found guilty, but are Condemned unto it; they are really under the sentence of wrath, Condemnation, and death;

"they are obnoxious to the curse of the Law, which is no other than the Wrath of God; they are liable to it, and in danger of it; and being so near it, how is it that they escape it, and are secured from it?

"They are secured from it by the Decree of God, Who has Appointed them not to Wrath, but to Obtain Salvation, #1Th 5:9 which Decree is unfrustrable by the Oath of God, Who has Swore that He Will not be Wrath with them, #Isa 54:9 which is Immutable: by the Suretyship Engagements of Christ for them, to Bear it in their Room; and till that was Done, God Forbore to Execute the Sentence; called the Forbearance of God, #Ro 3:25 by Christ's actually Bearing the Chastisement of their Peace; by being Made a Curse for them, and Enduring the Wrath of God in their Room;

"whereby He Delivered them from Wrath to Come, #Ps 89:38 1Th 5:10 and by His Righteousness Imputed to them, through which, being Justified, they are Saved from Wrath, #Ro 5:9 though even these persons may have, at times, some apprehensions of the Wrath of God; as, particularly, under first awakenings, and convictions of sin; when the Law works a sense of Wrath in them, and leaves in them a fearful looking for of Judgment and Fiery Indignation;

"when they flee to Christ, from Wrath to Come, and say, "Lord, save us, or we perish"; and afterwards, when under the Hiding of God's Face, or His Afflicting Hand is upon them, they imagine that the Wrath of God lies hard upon them, and His Fierce Wrath goes over them,
#Ps 88:7,16 La 3:1 but in reality, there is no Wrath comes upon them now;

"their Afflictions and Chastisements are all in Love; and there will be no curse hereafter; but they shall always see the Face of God, and be
"in His Presence, where are Fulness of Joy, and Pleasures for Evermore", #Re 3:19 22:3,4.

Jesus experiencing God's wrath against sin, instead of us
The Wrath of God was Laid on Jesus, for the Guilt of His Elect children's sins,
not because Jesus was Made a sinner, which He could not be.
 
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