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Featured Did the Earth shift on its Axis at the Time of the Flood?

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  1. revmwc

    revmwc Well-Known Member

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    Genesis 7:
    10 "And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.
    11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
    12 And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights."
    18 "And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.
    19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
    20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered."
    23 "And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.
    24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days."
    Then chapter 8:
    2 "The fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained;"
    First we see that the windows of heaven opened and that is of course the Canopy Theory. That a canopy surrounded the original earth and that it was punctured and the deluge came down from heaven. But what we see too is that the fountains of the great deep were broken up. Now question what would cause the fountains of the deep to open? Could it have been a shift upon the axis? Otherwise a great earthquake and you would think that Noah would have spoken of such a great earthquake and Moses would have recorded it. But it the earth shifted on its axis what would that have caused? When the fountains opened up what would that do the earth's continental plates? Would a shift on its axis have caused this?
     
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    The earth is filled with very large caves in which (imo) held the "fountains of the great deep." These were the fresh water storage places that served to water the whole earth prior to the flood. Remember how the dew would be each day? That they were broken up would then mean that they no longer held the water.

    I don't consider the earth axis shifting has ever occurred. But, that is just my own perspective.

    One thing that did occur not long after the flood in which the Scriptures don't tell about is that great time of what we might consider an Ice age. The seasonal order had been disrupted by the flood, the ocean currents had been disturbed causing the waters of the north and south to freeze, and the oceans would have dropped perhaps as low as 600 feet to accommodate the great ice sheets that formed. It took some years for things to return, and there have been cycles of "ice ages" sense that time. For example: During the "dark ages" there was a dramatic shift in weather, and also during the time of Napoleon. There is a great amount of history tied to the weather patterns, including the Renaissance emerging with the warmer weather patterns throughout Europe.

    Imo, the weather patterns are indicating another temperature shift is coming, and the cold will cause huge economic disaster among the nations leading them to bind more closely together to support a single scheme.

    Forecast for today?
     
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    We see where the ice age you refer to ended
    1 Chronicles 1:19King James Version (KJV)
    19 And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of the one was Peleg; because in his days the earth was divided: and his brother's name was Joktan.
    the earth divided on his day
     
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    How does that verse prove the Ice Age ended?
     
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    Well he said it was an ice age, the current shaping of the earth separated in Peleg's time. That would be once the people's groups were in place God divided the continents with oceans. Now could they have been frozen and the ice melted?
     
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    There was a time I considered this a correct view, however no longer for these reasons:
    1) No life could have sustained the enormous forces of the continental shifting suggested. Current earth movements show that the ground liquefies, and with the whole world moving, there would have been no stable ground.

    2) The tsunamis would have washed over the earth removing all human and most animal existence.

    3) The structure of the earth plates do not allow for that sudden shifting of whole continents chasing across huge expanses of water banging into each other.

    4) The "earth moved" was most likely the typical earth quake and aftershocks that would have made headlines. Think of what headlines would read if the west cost experience "the big one" or if the volcano under Yellowstone erupted, again.

    So, now I reject the thinking that the continents were formed because the "earth moved" in Peleg's time.
     
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    Sure why not, anything interpretation is just as valid these days. It's all up for grabs so to speak. Just differing opinions. Whistling

    ...and not to mention, can you show me where he said this? Friend, you have a tendency to read things into statements that were never made. Nor implied.
     
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    In post 2 the third paragraph he stayed "that great time of what we might consider an ice age"
     
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    Try supplying in context what he actually stated:

    "One thing that did occur not long after the flood in which the Scriptures don't tell about is that great time of what we might consider an Ice age."

    This is how you distort things. Time and again.


    [Edited; please address the post content and refrain from personal attacks - thanks, JonC]
     
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    Show where O distorted what was said
     
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    I've already done that, but not surprised you've missed that as well. Whistling
     
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    Nothing you posted differs from what I stated,
    He said, "One thing that did occur not long after the flood in which the Scriptures don't tell about is that great time of what we might consider an Ice age." And I said "In post 2 the third paragraph he stayed "that great time of what we might consider an ice age"" Exact wording. You added the first part which states "One thing that did occur" and then he stated "not long after the flood in which the Scriptures don't tell about is" nothing misrepresented he said that what we might consider an Ice Age occurred but was not mentioned in the Bible. I misrepresented nothing.
     
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    Not one thing you accused me of occurred in this post.
     
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    I added nothing but his EXACT QUOTE. Your falsified statement is used to make it appear as if I added something.


    [Edited; please address the post content and refrain from personal attacks - thanks, JonC]
     
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    I falsified nothing I quoted exactly what was said, where did he not say "One thing that did occur not long after the flood in which the Scriptures don't tell about is that great time of what we might consider an ice age." He said exactly what I stated In post 2 the third paragraph he stayed "that great time of what we might consider an ice age"

    verbatim "that great time of what we might consider an ice age" what he said before is born out now what do you have constructive to say about the thread?
     
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    It is possible that the flood caused the earth to shift on its axis. However, upon reading Genesis, I think that God created the earth to be rotating off a perpendicular axis.

    In verse 14 of Genesis 1, God said that He put the lights in the heavens to determine seasons. And the way we track seasons today is distance of the sun to the north and south of the equator. With a canopy of water causing the global greenhouse effect, pre-flood earth wouldn't have had weather to determine seasons, only the position of the sun. So, to me, this means that the earth was already rotating on a non-perpendicular axis at the time of creation.
     
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  18. Internet Theologian

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    You only quoted a portion of what he said in order to make it appear as if he said something else. Now you're pretending to have quoted his entire statement, something you didn't do in your #9 post.


    [Edited; please address the post content and refrain from personal attacks - thanks, JonC]
     
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    You need to read what he said and his statement was that something we might call an ice age occurred and that is what I posted. Now what do you have to add to the post other than your false accusations
     
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    But the fountains opening would seem to indicate a shift
     
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