Did Trump break political protocol with call to Taiwan?

[righteousdude2]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/03/china-donald-trumps-taiwan-phone-call-complaint-us

With China kicking rice all over the place as a form of protest and anger over Trump accepting a congratualory call from the leader of Taiwan, I want to know if this was as bad a thing as the media and the WH are protraying it to be? And is this just a preview of how Trump will conduct business in the WH regarding so called protocol.

I saw nothing wrong with his taking the call. No big deal. The Chinesse will be mad, and have to get glad again. IMHO ...

 

[InTheLight]

I don't think it's a big deal. If Obama can reverse 57 years of foreign policy towards Cuba with a pen, I think Trump can take a phone call from Taiwan!

But, yes, to answer your question, Trump broke political protocol. I have a sneaking suspicion he might be prone to doing that.

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[Salty]

Did Trump make the call - or did he accept the call from Taiwan?

 

[Crabtownboy]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/03/china-donald-trumps-taiwan-phone-call-complaint-us

With China kicking rice all over the place as a form of protest and anger over Trump accepting a congratualory call from the leader of Taiwan, I want to know if this was as bad a thing as the media and the WH are protraying it to be? And is this just a preview of how Trump will conduct business in the WH regarding so called protocol.

I saw nothing wrong with his taking the call. No big deal. The Chinesse will be mad, and have to get glad again. IMHO ...

It is obvious you have no understanding of the Chinese, either in Taiwan or in mainland China. The Taiwanese president knew exactly what she was doing. She knew that she could play Trump and she did like he was a fine fiddle. The government in Beijing has approached the call with restraint. If you do not think so, then again you do not understand mainland China. But, Beijing has a long memory. My guess is they are playing this cool and biding their time knowing that either:

1. Trump will do something to make an even bigger fool of himself in the eyes of the world.
2. Biding their time until they can really stick it to him.

Beijing will not forget this, not will they forgive him. They know have have said he is a buffoon. His advisers have shown themselves to be completely in the dark when it comes to approaching China also.

Trump is going to be a disaster to the United States in so many ways.

 

[Bro. James]

Yep, the diplomatic corp is probably in chaos. Good diplomacy was not a plank in Mr. Trump's campaign platform. He probably knows not the jargon. I seriously doubt he took a collect call from Taiwan.

Being a loose cannon is only works if one has all the cannons. We need to recruit more Marines for Embassy duty.

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Bro. James

 

[InTheLight]

Supposing the president of Taiwan, expecting a Hillary Clinton election victory, phoned Hillary on the Sunday prior to election day. Problem or not?

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Taiwan has the largest economy of any state outside the U.N.

Taiwan proved it could thrive without communist control. That's why everyone is freaking out. Dems love them some dictatorial tyrants.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Taiwan has the largest economy of any state outside the U.N.

Taiwan proved it could thrive without communist control. That's why everyone is freaking out. Dems love them some dictatorial tyrants.

Your reply only shows you do not know nor understand the history of that region, not the politics of that region.

This is the type of ignorance I fear is in the Trump camp and this type of ignorance leads all too often to war.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

CTB, the answer is yes. The president-elect did break protocol in directly talking to the president of Taiwan.
That being said, I think he was well within his rights to do so.
[My take on China is the current occupants of the Forbidden City are just another dynasty. In the main, they have the same worldview as previous dynasties going back thousands of years. IOW, they view themselves at the center of the world. Other countries are to pay homage if not tribute to the imperial court.]
He is showing he will not kow tow to them.

 

[Crabtownboy]

CTB, the answer is yes. The president-elect did break protocol in directly talking to the president of Taiwan.
That being said, I think he was well within his rights to do so.
[My take on China is the current occupants of the Forbidden City are just another dynasty. In the main, they have the same worldview as previous dynasties going back thousands of years. IOW, they view themselves at the center of the world. Other countries are to pay homage if not tribute to the imperial court.]
He is showing he will not kow tow to them.

I would not go as far as you in suggesting that Beijing considers itself as the center of the world ... or the universe. At one time in the distant past the Chinese considered the Bell Tower in Xi'an as the center of both the world and the universe. North, South, East and West Streets began in the center of the Bell Tower.

I do not see them believing that other countries should pay homage to them, though they do expect respect. It is a cornerstone of the domestic policy to hold that Taiwan is part of China, a Provence in rebellion. They have proposed a one country, two system approach to unification. Whether that is a viable road it open to question and a good topic for another thread.

What Trump is doing is buying himself a large group of problems that he does not need. There are enough other problems in that area to attune to without creating more. If Trump wants to get into a shooting war with China confronting them on Taiwan is one of the best ways to do so.

I fear that Trump's ignorance and arrogance is going to be extremely bad for the US.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Crabtownboy, your response tells me you cannot possibly want an honest debate. Thanks.

 

[Benjamin]

The government in Beijing has approached the call with restraint.

Good, its in their best interests that they should start to learn and understand their limits and control over who, when, how and why we respond to whoever we like and whenever we want.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Good, its in their best interests that they should start to learn and understand their limits and control over who, when, how and why we respond to whoever we like and whenever we want.

The basic point is that the current policy has worked well. We all know that China does not control Taiwan. We remain quiet, they remain quiet. We pretend that Taiwan is a province in rebellion, they pretend it is a part of China. Why stick a lance in a hornets nest? We do that and the hornets become very angry. Why create problems? Aren't there enough already?

 

[Benjamin]

The basic point is that the current policy has worked well. We all know that China does not control Taiwan. We remain quiet, they remain quiet. We pretend that Taiwan is a province in rebellion, they pretend it is a part of China. Why stick a lance in a hornets nest? We do that and the hornets become very angry. Why create problems? Aren't there enough already?

You might as well tell me that if if we talk to someone that it could create a problem - meaning a threat to us if we don't do things China's way. We should pretend so that we don't dare offend mighty China? Again, "...its in their best interests that they should start to learn and understand their limits and control over who, when, how and why we respond to whoever we like and whenever we want." If that creates a problem it is only because it is backed by a threat if they don't get their way - if we even dare to recognize the rights of a free democratic society of 23 million people ...and I for one don't like being threatened...the times of bowing to foreign nations are over...thank God.

 

[Aaron]

I would not go as far as you in suggesting that Beijing considers itself as the center of the world ... or the universe. At one time in the distant past the Chinese considered the Bell Tower in Xi'an as the center of both the world and the universe. North, South, East and West Streets began in the center of the Bell Tower.
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I do not see them believing that other countries should pay homage to them, though they do expect respect. It is a cornerstone of the domestic policy to hold that Taiwan is part of China, a Provence in rebellion. They have proposed a one country, two system approach to unification. Whether that is a viable road it open to question and a good topic for another thread.

What Trump is doing is buying himself a large group of problems that he does not need. There are enough other problems in that area to attune to without creating more. If Trump wants to get into a shooting war with China confronting them on Taiwan is one of the best ways to do so.

I fear that Trump's ignorance and arrogance is going to be extremely bad for the US.

Your reply not only shows you neither know nor understand the history and politics of that region, but it also shows that your ignorance of the history and politics of this region.

This is the type of ignorance that finally destroyed the Dems.

 

[righteousdude2]

It is obvious you have no understanding of the Chinese, either in Taiwan or in mainland China. The Taiwanese president knew exactly what she was doing. She knew that she could play Trump and she did like he was a fine fiddle. The government in Beijing has approached the call with restraint. If you do not think so, then again you do not understand mainland China. But, Beijing has a long memory. My guess is they are playing this cool and biding their time knowing that either:

1. Trump will do something to make an even bigger fool of himself in the eyes of the world.
2. Biding their time until they can really stick it to him.

Beijing will not forget this, not will they forgive him. They know have have said he is a buffoon. His advisers have shown themselves to be completely in the dark when it comes to approaching China also.

Trump is going to be a disaster to the United States in so many ways.

I understand more than you can imagine. And to be truthful, I could care less about China's illegal claim to Taiwan. As for him being a "disaster" the only real.disaster is the lameduck leaving the Oval Office in January. Selah!

 

[righteousdude2]

It is obvious you have no understanding of the Chinese, either in Taiwan or in mainland China. The Taiwanese president knew exactly what she was doing. She knew that she could play Trump and she did like he was a fine fiddle. The government in Beijing has approached the call with restraint. If you do not think so, then again you do not understand mainland China. But, Beijing has a long memory. My guess is they are playing this cool and biding their time knowing that either:

1. Trump will do something to make an even bigger fool of himself in the eyes of the world.
2. Biding their time until they can really stick it to him.

Beijing will not forget this, not will they forgive him. They know have have said he is a buffoon. His advisers have shown themselves to be completely in the dark when it comes to approaching China also.

Trump is going to be a disaster to the United States in so many ways.

At least Trump won't put leaders from the BLM on a Presidential Law Enforcement Oversight Committee.

 

[Jedi Knight]

Crabtownboy, your response tells me you cannot possibly want an honest debate. Thanks.

That's why I blocked him.

 

[Bro. James]

Dec. 7: 75 years ago--an infamous day--in world history.

Are we headed for another?

It is long past time to repent.

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Bro. James

 

[Revmitchell]

Nothing about what Trump has done thus far has been considered within so called "protocol". It is the very thing that got him elected.