Differences Between Baptists

Bible Believing Bill · Sep 29, 2007

I am preparing a study of the Doctrines and Beliefs presented in The General Association of General Baptist's Statement of Faith. As one part of this study I want to compare and contrast our Doctrines vs. those of other Baptist Groups and Churches.

I DO NOT WANT THIS TO BECOME A DEBATE about these groups beliefs. I see this thread a source of information about different baptist beliefs.

Here is a summary of the General Baptist Statement of Faith. Really the only thing missing is the scripture referances on which these statements are based. You can find everything at the link above.

Bill

I. GOD
We believe that there is only one true, living, and eternal God and that the Godhead is revealed as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

II. THE BIBLE
We believe that the Holy Scriptures are the Old and New Testaments; the inspired and infallible Word of God and therein is found the reliable guide of Christian faith and conduct.

III. MAN
We believe that God created man in His own image to bring Him honor through obedience, and that when man disobeyed, he became a fallen sinful creature, unable to save himself. We believe that infants are in the covenant of God's grace and that all persons become accountable to God when they reach a state of moral responsibility.

IV. SALVATION
We believe that Salvation (regeneration, sanctification, justification, and redemption) has been provided for all mankind through the redemptive work (life, death, resurrection, ascension, and intercession) of Jesus Christ, and that this Salvation can be received only through repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

V. ASSURANCE AND ENDURANCE
We believe that those who abide in Christ have the assurance of salvation. However, we believe that the Christian retrains his freedom of choice; therefore, it is possible for him to turn away from God and be finally lost.

VI. CHRISTIAN DUTIES
We believe that Christians should live faithfully by serving in and through the local church, praying diligently, witnessing earnestly, practicing tolerance, showing loving kindness, giving as God prospers, and conducting themselves in such a way as to bring glory to God.

VII. THE CHURCH
We believe that the Church Universal is the body of Christ, the fellowship of all believers, and that it's members have been called out from the world to come under the dominion and authority of Christ, it's head. We believe that a local church is a fellowship of Christians, a part of the Body of Christ, voluntarily banded together for worship, nurture, and service.

VIII. THE ORDINANCES
We believe that baptism and the Lord's Supper are ordinances instituted by Christ to be observed by Christians only. We also believe that the Biblical mode of baptism is immersion and that participation in the Lord's Supper should be open to all Christians.

IX. THE LORD'S DAY
We believe in the sanctity of the Lord's Day, the first day of the week, and that this day ought to be observed by worshipping God, witnessing for Christ, and ministering to the needs of humanity. We believe that secular work on Sunday should be limited to cases of necessity or mercy

X. LAST THINGS
We believe in the personal return of Jesus Christ, and in the bodily resurrection of the dead. We believe that God will judge all mankind by Jesus Christ; that He will reward the righteous with eternal life in heaven, and that He will banish the unrighteous to everlasting punishment in hell.

thomas15 · Sep 29, 2007

Bill,

What exactly do you want us forum members to do?

2 Timothy2:1-4 · Sep 29, 2007

This is typically the same for the SBC except we differ on the loss of salvation:

V. God's Purpose of Grace
Election is the gracious purpose of God, according to which He regenerates, justifies, sanctifies, and glorifies sinners. It is consistent with the free agency of man, and comprehends all the means in connection with the end. It is the glorious display of God's sovereign goodness, and is infinitely wise, holy, and unchangeable. It excludes boasting and promotes humility.

All true believers endure to the end. Those whom God has accepted in Christ, and sanctified by His Spirit, will never fall away from the state of grace, but shall persevere to the end. Believers may fall into sin through neglect and temptation, whereby they grieve the Spirit, impair their graces and comforts, and bring reproach on the cause of Christ and temporal judgments on themselves; yet they shall be kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation.

Genesis 12:1-3; Exodus 19:5-8; 1 Samuel 8:4-7,19-22; Isaiah 5:1-7; Jeremiah 31:31ff.; Matthew 16:18-19; 21:28-45; 24:22,31; 25:34; Luke 1:68-79; 2:29-32; 19:41-44; 24:44-48; John 1:12-14; 3:16; 5:24; 6:44-45,65; 10:27-29; 15:16; 17:6,12,17-18; Acts 20:32; Romans 5:9-10; 8:28-39; 10:12-15; 11:5-7,26-36; 1 Corinthians 1:1-2; 15:24-28; Ephesians 1:4-23; 2:1-10; 3:1-11; Colossians 1:12-14; 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14; 2 Timothy 1:12; 2:10,19; Hebrews 11:39–12:2; James 1:12; 1 Peter 1:2-5,13; 2:4-10; 1 John 1:7-9; 2:19; 3:2.

swaimj · Sep 29, 2007

II Tim 2:1-4,

What is the source for your quote. Not to agree or disagree with the statement itself, but I can't imagine that there is a creed or doctrinal statement like this that all members of the SBC agree to or are required to agree to.

Tom Bryant · Sep 29, 2007

It's from the Baptist faith and Message.

Here's the whole statement http://www.sbc.net/bfm/bfm2000.asp#iv

swaimj · Sep 29, 2007

Thanks Tom

TCGreek · Sep 29, 2007

Then you have the New Hamshire Baptist Confession of 1833:

Declaration of Faith

Of the Scriptures We believe that the Holy Bible was written by men divinely inspired, and is a perfect treasure of heavenly instruction (1); that it has God for its author, salvation for its end (2), and truth without any mixture of error for its matter (3); that it reveals the principles by which God will judge us (4); and therefore is, and shall remain to the end of the world, the true center of Christian union (5), and the supreme standard by which all human conduct, creeds, and opinions should be tried (6).

Of the True God We believe that there is one, and only one, living and true God, an infinite, intelligent Spirit, whose name is JEHOVAH, the Maker and Supreme Ruler of Heaven and earth (7); inexpressibly glorious in holiness (8), and worthy of all possible honor, confidence, and love (9); that in the unity of the Godhead there are three persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost (10); equal in every divine perfection (11), and executing distinct and harmonious offices in the great work of redemption (12).

Of the Fall of Man We believe that man was created in holiness, under the law of his Maker (13); but by voluntary transgression fell from that holy and happy state (14); in consequence of which all mankind are now sinners (15), not by constraint, but choice (16); being by nature utterly void of that holiness required by the law of God, positively inclined to evil; and therefore under just condemnation to eternal ruin (17), without defense or excuse (18).

Of the Way of Salvation We believe that the salvation of sinners is wholly of grace (19), through the mediatorial offices of the Son of God (20); who by the appointment of the Father, freely took upon him our nature, yet without sin (21); honored the divine law by his personal obedience (22), and by his death made a full atonement for our sins (23); that having risen from the death, he is now enthroned in heaven (24); and uniting in his wonderful person the tenderest sympathies with divine perfections, he is every way qualified to be a suitable, a compassionate, and an all- sufficient Saviour (25).

Of Justification We believe that the great gospel blessing which Christ (26) secures to such as believe in him is Justification (27); that Justification includes the pardon of sin (28), and the promise of eternal life on principles of righteousness (29); that it is bestowed, not in consideration of any works of righteousness which we have done, but solely through faith in the Redeemer's blood (30); by virtue of which faith his perfect righteousness is freely imputed to us of God (31); that it brings us into a state of most blessed peace and favor with God, and secures every other blessing needful for time and eternity (32).

Of the Freeness of Salvation We believe that the blessings of salvation are made free to all by the gospel (33); that it is the immediate duty of all to accept them by a cordial, penitent, and obedient faith (34); and that nothing prevents the salvation of the greatest sinner on earth but his own inherent depravity and voluntary rejection of the gospel (35); which rejection involves him in an aggravated condemnation (36).

Of Grace in Regeneration We believe that, in order to be saved, sinners must be regenerated, or born again (37); that regeneration consists in giving a holy disposition to the mind (38); that it is effected in a manner above our comprehension by the power of the Holy Spirit, in connection with divine truth (39), so as to secure our voluntary obedience to the gospel (40); and that its proper evidence appears in the holy fruits of repentance, and faith, and newness of life (41).

Of Repentance and Faith We believe that Repentance and Faith are sacred duties, and also inseparable graces, wrought in our souls by the regenerating Spirit of God (42); whereby being deeply convinced of our guilt, danger, and helplessness, and of the way of salvation by Christ (43), we turn to God with unfeigned contrition, confession, and supplication for mercy (44); at the same time heartily receiving the Lord Jesus Christ as our Prophet, Priest, and King, and relying on him alone as the only and all-sufficient Saviour (45).

Of God's Purpose of Grace We believe that Election is the eternal purpose of God, according to which he graciously regenerates, sanctifies, and saves sinners (46); that being perfectly consistent with the free agency of man, it comprehends all the means in connection with the end (47); that it is a most glorious display of God's sovereign goodness, being infinitely free, wise, holy, and unchangeable (48); that it utterly excludes boasting, and promotes humility, love, prayer, praise, trust in God, and active imitation of his free mercy (49); that it encourages the use of means in the highest degree (50); that it may be ascertained by its effects in all who truly believe the gospel (51); that it is the foundation of Christian assurance (52); and that to ascertain it with regard to ourselves demands and deserves the utmost diligence (53).

Of Sanctification We believe that Sanctification is the process by which, according to the will of God, we are made partakers of his holiness (54); that it is a progressive work (55); that it is begun in regeneration (56); and that it is carried on in the hearts of believers by the presence and power of the Holy Spirit, the Sealer and Comforter, in the continual use of the appointed means--especially the Word of God, self-examination, self-denial, watchfulness, and prayer (57).

Of the Perseverance of Saints We believe that such only are real believers as endure unto the end (58); that their persevering attachment to Christ is the grand mark which distinguishes them from superficial professors (59); that a special Providence watches over their welfare (60); and they are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation (61).

Of the Harmony of the Law and the Gospel We believe that the Law of God is the eternal and unchangeable rule of his moral government (62); that it is holy, just, and good (63); and that the inability which the Scriptures ascribe to fallen men to fulfill its precepts arises entirely from their love of sin (64); to deliver them from which, and to restore them through a Mediator to unfeigned obedience to the holy Law, is one great end of the Gospel, and of the means of grace connected with the establishment of the visible Church (65).

Of a Gospel Church We believe that a visible Church of Christ is a congregation of baptized believers (66), associated by covenant in the faith and fellowship of the gospel (67); observing the ordinances of Christ (68); governed by his laws (69), and exercising the gifts, rights, and privileges invested in them by his Word (70); that its only scriptural officers are Bishops, or Pastors, and Deacons (71), whose qualifications, claims, and duties are defined in the Epistles to Timothy and Titus.

Of Baptism and the Lord's Supper We believe that Christian Baptism is the immersion in water of a believer (72), into the name of the Father, and Son, and Holy Ghost (73); to show forth, in a solemn and beautiful emblem, our faith in the crucified, buried, and risen Saviour, with its effect in our death to sin and resurrection to a new life (74); that it is prerequisite to the privileges of a Church relation; and to the Lord's Supper (75), in which the members of the Church, by the sacred use of bread and wine, are to commemorate together the dying love of Christ (76); preceded always by solemn self- examination (77).

Of the Christian Sabbath We believe that the first day of the week is the Lord's Day, or Christian Sabbath (78); and is to be kept sacred to religious purposes (79), by abstaining from all secular labor and sinful recreations (80); by the devout observance of all the means of grace, both private (81) and public (82); and by preparation for that rest that remaineth for the people of God (83).

Of Civil Government We believe that civil government is of divine appointment, for the interests and good order of human society (84); and that magistrates are to be prayed for, conscientiously honored and obeyed (85); except only in things opposed to the will of our Lord Jesus Christ (86) who is the only Lord of the conscience, and the Prince of the kings of the earth (87).

Of the Righteous and the Wicked We believe that there is a radical and essential difference between the righteous and the wicked (88); that such only as through faith are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and sanctified by the Spirit of our God, are truly righteous in his esteem (89); while all such as continue in impenitence and unbelief are in his sight wicked, and under the curse (90); and this distinction holds among men both in and after death (91). 18. Of the World to Come We believe that the end of the world is approaching (92); that at the last day Christ will descend from heaven (93), and raise the dead from the grave to final retribution (94); that a solemn separation will then take place (95); that the wicked will be adjudged to endless punishment, and the righteous to endless joy (96); and that this judgment will fix forever the final state of men in heaven or hell, on principles of righteousness (97).

Of the World to Come We believe that the end of the world is approaching; that at the last day Christ will descend from heaven, and raise the dead from the grave to final retribution; that a solemn separation will then take place; that the wicked will be adjudged to endless punishment, and the righteous to endless joy; and that this judgment will fix forever the final state of men in heaven or hell, or principles of righteousness.
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Pastor_Bob · Sep 29, 2007

Here is what our "Baptist" forefathers believed:

Waldensian Confessions of Faith
(Reproduced from Jone's Church History) Waldenses Confession of 1120
1. We believe and firmly maintain all that is contained in the twelve articles of the symbol, commonly called the apostles' creed, and we regard as heretical whatever is inconsistent with the said twelve articles.

2. We believe that there is one God - the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

3. We acknowledge for sacred canonical scriptures the books of the Holy Bible. (Here follows the title of each, exactly conformable to our received canon, but which it is deemed, on that account, quite unnecessary to particularize.)

4. The books above-mentioned teach us: That there is one GOD, almighty, unbounded in wisdom, and infinite in goodness, and who, in His goodness, has made all things. For He created Adam after His own image and likeness. But through the enmity of the Devil, and his own disobedience, Adam fell, sin entered into the world, and we became transgressors in and by Adam.

5. That Christ had been promised to the fathers who received the law, to the end that, knowing their sin by the law, and their unrighteousness and insufficiency, they might desire the coming of Christ to make satisfaction for their sins, and to accomplish the law by Himself.

6. That at the time appointed of the Father, Christ was born - a time when iniquity everywhere abounded, to make it manifest that it was not for the sake of any good in ourselves, for all were sinners, but that He, who is true, might display His grace and mercy towards us.

7. That Christ is our life, and truth, and peace, and righteousness - our shepherd and advocate, our sacrifice and priest, who died for the salvation of all who should believe, and rose again for their justification.

8. And we also firmly believe, that there is no other mediator, or advocate with God the Father, but Jesus Christ. And as to the Virgin Mary, she was holy, humble, and full of grace; and this we also believe concerning all other saints, namely, that they are waiting in heaven for the resurrection of their bodies at the day of judgment.

9. We also believe, that, after this life, there are but two places - one for those that are saved, the other for the damned, which [two] we call paradise and hell, wholly denying that imaginary purgatory of Antichrist, invented in opposition to the truth.

10. Moreover, we have ever regarded all the inventions of men [in the affairs of religion] as an unspeakable abomination before God; such as the festival days and vigils of saints, and what is called holy-water, the abstaining from flesh on certain days, and such like things, but above all, the masses.

11. We hold in abhorrence all human inventions, as proceeding from Antichrist, which produce distress (Alluding probably to the voluntary penances and mortification imposed by the Catholics on themselves), and are prejudicial to the liberty of the mind.

12 We consider the Sacraments as signs of holy things, or as the visible emblems of invisible blessings. We regard it as proper and even necessary that believers use these symbols or visible forms when it can be done. Notwithstanding which, we maintain that believers may be saved without these signs, when they have neither place nor opportunity of observing them.

13. We acknowledge no sacraments [as of divine appointment] but baptism and the Lord's supper.

14. We honour the secular powers, with subjection, obedience, promptitude, and payment.
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http://www.pb.org/articles/walden.html

Jarthur001 · Sep 29, 2007

Pastor_Bob said:

Here is what our "Baptist" forefathers believed:

http://www.pb.org/articles/walden.html
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hummm

I seriously question the Waldenses Confession of 1120 that is in this link. If you read their doctrine statement of that time, it does not jive with this confession.

In fact i'm sure this is not real.

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Bible Believing Bill · Sep 29, 2007

thomas15 said:

Bill,

What exactly do you want us forum members to do?
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To answer your question. I am looking for exactly the things that Tom Bryant and Pastor Bob have posted. I want to see the the GAGB Statement of Faith compares to other Baptists.

As a group we should agree on most things, but there will be some areas where we don't.

Bill

Jarthur001 · Sep 29, 2007

Bible Believing Bill said:

To answer your question. I am looking for exactly the things that Tom Bryant and Pastor Bob have posted. I want to see the the GAGB Statement of Faith compares to other Baptists.

As a group we should agree on most things, but there will be some areas where we don't.

Bill
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How about the 1st Baptist Creed.

http://www.creeds.net/baptists/1689/original/1689bc.html

charles_creech78 · Sep 29, 2007

Jarthur001 said:

How about the 1st Baptist Creed.

http://www.creeds.net/baptists/1689/original/1689bc.html
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V. ASSURANCE AND ENDURANCE
We believe that those who abide in Christ have the assurance of salvation. However, we believe that the Christian retrains his freedom of choice; therefore, it is possible for him to turn away from God and be finally lost.
Disagree on this. There is no assurance of salvation if you can turn from God. I can't keep myself from doing things wrong it is God that keeps me from doing it. The church that Brother Bob goes to .
ARTICLE 1. We believe in only one true and living God; the Father, the Son and Holy Ghost; and these three are one, equal in power, essence and glory.

ARTICLE 2. We believe the scripture of the Old and New Testaments of the Authorized King James Version of the Bible are the written words of God and are the only rules of faith and practice.

ARTICLE 3. We believe in the doctrine of election by grace, for by grace are ye saved through faith.

ARTICLE 4. We believe in the doctrine of original sin and of man's inability to recover himself from the fallen state he is in by nature, therefore the Saviour is needed for our redemption.

ARTICLE 5. We believe that sinners are called to repentance and believe in the Gospel and regeneration of the soul and sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, and none shall fall away and be lost.

ARTICLE 6. We believe that sinners are justified in the sight of God only by the imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ.

ARTICLE 7. We believe that baptism is the ordinance of God's Church on earth and the mode IMMERSION, back foremost, so as to cover all over.

ARTICLE 8. We believe that the Lord's Supper is the command of the Saviour, and that by use of bread and the fruit of the vine, and feet washing should be kept up until his second coming by his believers.

ARTICLE 9. We believe in the resurrection of the dead, both of the just and the unjust, and that the joys of the righteous and the punishment of the wicked shall be eternal.

ARTICLE 10. We believe that no Minister has the right to administer the ordinances and commands of the Gospel except such as are regularly ordained and baptized, and that by immersion by a legal administrator of the Gospel comes under the hands of a regularly chosen presbytery of the Church.

ARTICLE 11. We believe it to be the duty of all Church members to contribute for defraying all reasonable expenses of the Church, never forgetting the poor according to their several abilities.

ARTICLE 12. We believe that every doctrine that goes to encourage or indulge people in their sins or cause them to settle down on anything short of saving faith in Christ for salvation is erroneous, and such doctrine shall be rejected by us.

ARTICLE 13. We believe that the Church of Jesus Christ is a congregation of faithful believers in Christ who have obtained fellowship with the Lord and one another, and have given themselves to the Lord and have agreed to keep up a Godly discipline according to the rules of the Gospel.

ARTICLE 14. We believe that Jesus Christ is the head of the Church and the government thereof is upon His Shoulders.

ARTICLE 15. We believe that a sanctioned marriage of God is between a man and a woman only. Also, we believe in receiving members into our fellowship that follow the natural dating relationship that leads to holy matrimony between a man and a woman only: thereby, preserving the family unit of father, mother and children. Ephesians 5:22,23 and 28, St. Mark 10:6,7,8 and Romans 1:26 and 27.

ARTICLE 16. None of the above Articles shall be considered as to hold with particular election and reprobation so as to make God partial, directly or indirectly, nor to injure any of the children of men, nor shall any of those Articles be altered without legal notice and free consent. ARTICLES OF FAITH OF SARDIS ASSOCIATION OF THE OLD REGULAR BAPTIST. I go to a old regular baptist church to and we associate with each other.

Pastor_Bob · Sep 30, 2007

Jarthur001 said:

I seriously question the Waldenses Confession of 1120 that is in this link. If you read their doctrine statement of that time, it does not jive with this confession.

In fact i'm sure this is not real.
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The site you listed above for the London Confession lists it exactly as does the site I have given.

It is also given exactly the same at http://www.freechurch.org/resources/confessions/waldenses.htm
and
http://www.apuritansmind.com/Creeds/WaldensianConfession1120.htm

Jarthur001 · Sep 30, 2007

Pastor_Bob said:

The site you listed above for the London Confession lists it exactly as does the site I have given.

It is also given exactly the same at http://www.freechurch.org/resources/confessions/waldenses.htm
and
http://www.apuritansmind.com/Creeds/WaldensianConfession1120.htm
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yes I know. I saw the very same thing later. As a matter of fact, I did a google and found it on hundreds of site.

Having a pretty good handle on Church history, I stick with my statement. This could not be real.

JustChristian · Sep 30, 2007

Jarthur001 said:

How about the 1st Baptist Creed.

http://www.creeds.net/baptists/1689/original/1689bc.html
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Actually, wasn't the 1644 London Baptist Confession of Faith, "enlarged and corrected" in 1646, the first Baptist Creed?

http://www.reformedreader.org/ccc/1646lbc.htm

Jarthur001 · Sep 30, 2007

BaptistBeliever said:

Actually, wasn't the 1644 London Baptist Confession of Faith, "enlarged and corrected" in 1646, the first Baptist Creed?

http://www.reformedreader.org/ccc/1646lbc.htm
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indeed you are right. But as time goes 1644 comes become 1646

Bro. Williams · Sep 30, 2007

You can compare my home church, we have most of our doctrinal statements on our website.

Bro. Williams · Sep 30, 2007

I also had a great book at one time, that went through the basics of most of the denominations.... including various bapitst group distinctives... but I can't seem to locate it at the moment.

Ed Edwards · Sep 30, 2007

Tom Bryant said:

It's from the Baptist faith and Message.

Here's the whole statement http://www.sbc.net/bfm/bfm2000.asp#iv
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IT is much closer than that. At the bottom of each page of
the Baptist Board (BB) is a link to SOF Statement of Faith.

http://www.baptistboard.com/sof.html

That statement of faith (SOF) is the BFM2000.
So the Southern Baptists have agreed on it.
I think that is why many Texas Baptist Churches
and Virginia Bapatist Churches are members of
non-SBC organizations (some, in addition to SBC; some,
wilhout addition of the SBC)

Jarthur001 · Sep 30, 2007

Pastor_Bob said:

The site you listed above for the London Confession lists it exactly as does the site I have given.

It is also given exactly the same at http://www.freechurch.org/resources/confessions/waldenses.htm
and
http://www.apuritansmind.com/Creeds/WaldensianConfession1120.htm
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Pastor Bob,

This may be a good example that we cannot believe all we read in the net. These are good sites, but they can be mislead as well. It seems that everyone wants to claim the Waldensians. The Seven Day Adventist, the Jehovah’s Witnesses, Orthodox and Baptist, Mormons and more..ALL say they came from the Waldensians. Even the RCC want to claim them, and they killed more of them then we can count. The biggest group that claims this now are the KJVO groups, for they MUST hold to this, or their whole idea falls.

As with all history cases, you must read all sources and pay attention not only to what is said, but what those writing the books are not saying. This is the only way to get to the truth.

Waldensian have changed through the years in what they claim as their faith. Giorgio Tourn's book "The Waldensians, the first 800 years" gives some good insight and seems to match The Waldensians own history records. What many Baptist claim, Waldensians own history books deny.

In a statement of faith submitted to the bishop of Albano of the RCC, Peter Waldo the founder affirmed his belief in transubstantiation, prayers for the dead, and infant baptism. Baptist historian A.H. Newman drew these conclusion warranted by the evidence.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0NXG/is_1_37/ai_94160889/pg_16

Now this was the same time frame as the COF was said to come from. After Waldo died this group departed more from the RCC. By the time of Luther they were of like mind to Luther. They did ask Calvin for a translation of the Bible.

Check out this pub from 1840 where this COF is said to be false.

http://books.google.com/books?id=jK...ts=NHD_8ZMpz9&sig=IzHDQpp_Zj1xY6lcxtjciEhkeJw

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