Different way of looking at Tulip

[agedman]

This is meant to be a fun thread, just to avail our minds of different "out of the box" ways of using some standard acrostics pertaining to salvation but in a different perhaps even in a unrelated way.

For example, the "TULIP" letters (typical of the Calvinistic view associated with them) could also be used in the following manner not in anyway related to Calvinistic thinking.

T - total dependency upon the work of God for the salvation which brings eternal life.

U - unconditional and unmerited favor upon which God grants for His purpose according to His pleasure to those who He redeems.

L - limited to God’s authority in choosing those He grants the power to believe.

I - irrepressible conviction of sin, righteousness, judgement that brings repentance to the heart of the believer.

P - perfect peace, in which nothing of this world offends, for all things work for the good of the believer.
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Perhaps, it might be a fun exercise to present DAISY or ROSES in such a fashion, too.

It doesn't have to be about a manner of soteriology, but something such as above in which all believers should be able to agree upon.



Any thoughts?

 

[Revmitchell]

T- Totally wrong
U- Unconditional allegiance to wrong doctrine
L-Limited reason used
I- Irresistible arrogance acquired
P- Proven wrong time and time again but hang on to it anyway

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I'm just funnin yall

 

[Alan Gross]

T. Total devavity, as in utter impotence, and absolute inability of a Spiritually dead sinner, who lost any Spiritual capibility, in Adam.

The Human Race inherited a Nature of sin, from the First man, Adam, who died, Spiritually, in the Garden, as God Predicted.

All human being are dead, in trespasses and sins.

In Adam all died and are Totally Depraved of any strength, power, decision making, or thinking, other than to sin.

Denials of Unconditional Election,
Limited Attonement,
Irresistible Grace,
and Preservation & Perseverance of the Saints, arises from a position of unbelief in Total Depravity, by what The Bible calls, 'unbelievers'.

The soul that is Totally Depraved must be Brought to the position of being a Law breaker, by the Schoolmaster, to recognize their undone, lost, blind condition, first.

 

[agedman]

When it comes to DAISY, here is a bit off my block head.

D - desperate designs to excuse rather then repent and believe

A - all have sinned, but not all are redeemed

I - intelligence has little to do with comprehending God’s work.

S - Spirit of God revealing all truth God purposes the believer to know

Y - you must be born again, but not again, again, again, again, as some present.​

 

[agedman]

T. Total devavity, as in utter impotence, and absolute inability of a Spiritually dead sinner, who lost any Spiritual capibility, in Adam.

The Human Race inherited a Nature of sin, from the First man, Adam, who died, Spiritually, in the Garden, as God Predicted.

All human being are dead, in trespasses and sins.

In Adam all died and are Totally Depraved of any strength, power, decision making, or thinking, other than to sin.

Denials of Unconditional Election,
Limited Attonement,
Irresistible Grace,
and Preservation & Perseverance of the Saints, arises from a position of unbelief in Total Depravity, by what The Bible calls, 'unbelievers'.

The soul that is Totally Depraved must be Brought to the position of being a Law breaker, by the Schoolmaster, to recognize their undone, lost, blind condition, first.

Alan,

This thread really isn't designed to discuss the merits or lack of any scheme.

It is to take the acrostic used in a scheme (any scheme from any place) and repurpose it.

I used TULIP in the OP because it is the most widely used on the BB.

I could have used some other, but the attention gathered would have been far less.

And in a thread such as this, which is meant as a totally fun diversion, it needed a "hook" to pitch the idea and to allow folks to percolate some of their thoughts.

 

[Alan Gross]

Alan,

This thread really isn't designed to discuss the merits or lack of any scheme.

It is to take the acrostic used in a scheme (any scheme from any place) and repurpose it.

I used TULIP in the OP because it is the most widely used on the BB.

I could have used some other, but the attention gathered would have been far less.

And in a thread such as this, which is meant as a totally fun diversion, it needed a "hook" to pitch the idea and to allow folks to percolate some of their thoughts.

That's Informative...

 

[rlvaughn]

I tried to come up with one for those who are Universalists, and came up with "CUTE."

Chosen by God (whether you want to be or not)
Universal atonement (everybody is covered)
Total of humanity (all will ultimately be saved)
Effectual Grace (God will make it work)

And this "petal" might sub for "tulip."

Preservation of the Saints
Effectual Calling
Total inability
Absolute predestination
Limited Atonement

or "aster"

Absolute predestination
Specific atonement
Total inability
Effectual calling
Reliable promise

Connect 316 once had "Poinsettia: a new flower in the soteriological garden," but I can't find it now.

Some Calvinist caricatured the Arminian view as "LILAC."

Limited Depravity
I Choose Christ
Limitless Atonement
Arrestible Grace
Carnal Security

 

[tyndale1946]

I tried to come up with one for those who are Universalists, and came up with "CUTE."

Chosen by God (whether you want to be or not)
Universal atonement (everybody is covered)
Total of humanity (all will ultimately be saved)
Effectual Grace (God will make it work)

And this "petal" might sub for "tulip."

Preservation of the Saints
Effectual Calling
Total inability
Absolute predestination
Limited Atonement

or "aster"

Absolute predestination
Specific atonement
Total inability
Effectual calling
Reliable promise

Connect 316 once had "Poinsettia: a new flower in the soteriological garden," but I can't find it now.

Some Calvinist caricatured the Arminian view as "LILAC."

Limited Depravity
I Choose Christ
Limitless Atonement
Arrestible Grace
Carnal Security

Well I will stay with TULIP (thank you Jesus) but in all fairness and to be the good sport I am, to add to the total confusion there is this... Brother Glen

Timothy George prefers R O S E S over T U L I P: Radical depravity ,
Overcoming grace, Sovereign election,
 Eternal life,
 Singular redemption. Roger Nicole prefers the acronym G O S P E L (which makes six points): Grace, 
Obligatory grace, 
Sovereign grace,
 Provision-making grace,
 Effectual grace,
 Lasting grace.

Others abandon the effort to make an acronym altogether. For example, James Montgomery Boice suggests: Radical depravity, Unconditional election, Particular redemption, Efficacious grace, Persevering Grace. Greg Forster proposes:

• State of man before salvation: wholly defiled

• Work of the Father in salvation: unconditional choice

• Work of the Son in salvation: personal salvation

• Work of the Spirit in salvation: supernatural transformation

• State of man after salvation: in faith, perseverance

Nor do I claim that this ordering of the doctrines (T U L I P) is necessarily the most helpful when teaching what they mean. To be sure, there is a good rationale for this traditional order. It starts with man in need of salvation (Total depravity) and then gives, in the order of their occurrence, the steps God takes to save his people. He elects (Unconditional election), then he sends Jesus to atone for the sins of the elect (Limited atonement), then he irresistibly draws his people to faith (Irresistible grace), and finally works to cause them to persevere to the end (Perseverance of the saints).

I have found, however, that people grasp these points more easily if we go in the order in which we ourselves often experience them when we become Christians.

1. We experience first our depravity and need of salvation.
2. Then we experience the irresistible grace of God leading us toward faith.
3. Then we trust the sufficiency of the atoning death of Christ for our sins.
4. Then we discover that behind the work of God to atone for our sins and bring us to faith was the unconditional election of God.
5. And finally we rest in his electing grace to give us the strength and will to persevere to the end in faith.