saturneptune
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What is the age of the dinosaur fossils we regularly dig up? Did man and dinosaur coexist together? Why and when did the dinosaurs go extinct?
Thanks for your responses.
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Dinosaur Fossils
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Hundreds of thousands or millions of years old.
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No.
Well...maybe...
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saturneptune
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LOL, what can I say. I cannot even think of a good comeback for that one. LOL, I wonder if that picture of the dinosaur and Christ is what He really rode on Palm Sunday.
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Depends on who and what you believe.
Genesis 1: KJB
23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
On the 6th day God gave man dominion over every living thing.For your last question, the alternative answer to the various "evolution" theories regarding the disappearance of the dinasours, resides in these scriptures, which begin to tell the story of their demise.
Genesis 6: KJB
12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
14 Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.
12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
14 Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.
Agreed. Living at the same time does not necessarily mean they existed in the same location. Some people say the Leviathin and Behemoth refer to a crocodile and hippo, but from a straight reading of the text they were much larger. They had to have been dinosaurs.
Dragons or Dinosaurs
Verbose and pocked with grammatical errors, this book, nevertheless, is chock full of palaeontological and archeological facts. It is an interesting synthesis and harmony of the the world's dragon histories, which makes a compelling case for the eye-witness accounts of dinosaurs.
(It also exposes glaring weaknesses in the Darwinists' depictions thereof, which is a satisfying smack down for not-preachinjesus' post.)
Verbose and pocked with grammatical errors, this book, nevertheless, is chock full of palaeontological and archeological facts. It is an interesting synthesis and harmony of the the world's dragon histories, which makes a compelling case for the eye-witness accounts of dinosaurs.
(It also exposes glaring weaknesses in the Darwinists' depictions thereof, which is a satisfying smack down for not-preachinjesus' post.)
I agree. With Job being written from a Pre-Flood perspective, the two animals mentioned could not be hippos, crocodiles, nor elephants. These animals do not have "tails like cedar trees". But many dinosaurs did.
I don't know how old the earth is. I wouldn't hazard a guess.
But this I do know. And I know I'm oversimplifying it. AND it's not a hill I'm willing to die on.
God created it in the order that Genesis 1 says. Most animals and humans were created in the same time frame, so yes, dinosaurs and human beings did exist at the same time, but that doesn't mean they frolicked around together.
What happened to them? Again, I don't know for certain, but this is what I believe.
I believe the prescribed number boarded the ark and the overwhelming bulk of them died in the Flood along with the rest of life. I hold to the "canopy theory" that after the water canopy fell to earth and flooded it along with the waters from the ground that the earth's climate changed such that life was very different.
The fossil record shows that plant life changed drastically. Ergo, huge plant eaters began to die and consequently huge meat eaters died. Those ancient reptiles that could survive in the oceans and seas such as turtles, crocodiles, coelacanths, huge marine animals that it's difficult to be obtain evidence of, and such as those survived in the water and had plenty to eat. They are still here in some form or another.
But the huge land reptiles and pterosaurs are gone due to an inability to survive in the new climate and great changes in food sources.
Such extinctions on smaller scales happen all the time and we don't even give it a second thought. TONS more species other than just dinosaurs have become extinct just in recorded history's time.
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I disagree, it's not a matter of who and what you believe, it's a matter of properly understanding of what God communicated to us.
Dinosaurs went extinct long ago,
...excepting for a few posting on the BB.
Rob
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If dinosaurs have been extinct for millions of years, and we humans have existed for ~6,000, then how is there a literal six 24 hours days in Genesis? I believe they existed at the same time, myself, and the literal six 24 hours days ascribed in Genesis, attests to it, imo.
Also, this planet would be so populated with people and animals we would literally be crawling all over each other based on the growth of the human race.
I remember watching a program on PBS a few years ago where they found the foot prints of men in the same mud( Now stone) as the dinosaurs in an old river bed in Texas. Scientist tought it was curious but discounted it because they thought it had to be fraudulent. I suppose it could have been a fraud but I would have liked for them to look it over much more closely instead of just dismissing it.
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Dismissing it allows them to continue with evolutionism!!!
The evidence is the evidence. We find fossils of animals and plants different from what exists today. Mammoths larger than elephants are found in the frozen lands of Russia. We also find evidence that they were hunted by men using weapons. It is easy to consider some animals as relics of dinosaurs. But a whole slew of them stopped showing in the fossil record a long time ago, well before any record of man has been found.
This evidence presents a problem for YEC. They must say all the evidence has been wrongly interpreted. OEC have a similar problem because of evidence men existed more than 6000 years ago.
This evidence presents a problem for YEC. They must say all the evidence has been wrongly interpreted. OEC have a similar problem because of evidence men existed more than 6000 years ago.
Isn't that circular reasoning akin to 'I'm right because I'm right'?
This 'fossil record' assumes too much given the sedentary layers they try to put an age on. There is a fossil of a worm penetrating through two layers. When only the layers were shown to a Darwinist he put some ridiculous date on it. When shown the worm, he was furious and attributed it to fraud.
Very interesting read - so I did skim a good portion of it?
From Answers in Genesis
"Maybe one of the reasons dinosaurs are extinct is that we did not start our endangered species programs early enough. The factors that cause extinction today, which came about because of man’s sin—the Curse, the aftermath of the Flood (a judgment), etc.—are the same factors that caused the dinosaurs to become extinct."
From Answers in Genesis
"Maybe one of the reasons dinosaurs are extinct is that we did not start our endangered species programs early enough. The factors that cause extinction today, which came about because of man’s sin—the Curse, the aftermath of the Flood (a judgment), etc.—are the same factors that caused the dinosaurs to become extinct."
OK Rob, I can "read" your reply in two different ways. Excluding the last sentence, of course.
In your opinion was "long ago" millions of years or a few thousand?
It does matter what one believes. Either God created the earth and all that it contained within 6 days or He didn't. It does matter who one believes.
I know, cause I've been there, done that. It wasn't easy for a former theistic evolutionist to undo 50+ years of indroctrination. Especially for one who has had a life-long interest in the 'ologies encompassed by this subject. If money had been no object, I would have majored in marine biology with minors in archeology, geology, palentology and possibly genetics in college.
When my evolutionist belief was challenged, I began to look for alternative explainations for what I'd been taught. Two points here. First, was prayers for guidance in my studies. Second, I was determined to counter that challenge. And a third. Prayers seeking truth, regardless of the outcome.
Please let me say again, it wasn't easy. I didn't reach the turning point, until the day I ran across a blibical explaination for coal and, in particular, oil deposits. When my background interest in all those 'ologies sprinkled with a little common sense kicked in, the evolutionary theory failed. Catastrophic events, such as a massive earthwide flood, had to quickly bury and compress massive amounts of fairly fresh decomposing organic materials.
Once that light bulb came on, the rest of the pieces of the alternative picture fell into place. A picture that kept God firmly in His place as Creator. Instead of the "evolutionary process" that is trying to write Him out of existence.
In closing, and in a side note, it's an interesting study, over the span of history, how many times mankind though itself to be right. Only to have theories set aside. A study of the history of microbiology is a good example.
Oh well.
At the most, I only have a few more years left before He calls me home. A time and place where "theories" are cast aside. A time to learn the truth while sitting at His feet.
(A) In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness upon the face of the deep.
And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that [it was] good:
And God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. Gen.1:1-5
(B) To open their eyes, to turn from darkness to light, and the power of Satan unto God, Acts 26:18 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world. But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him. John 11:9.10
Is the darkness, light, day and night, evening and morning, speaking of the same thing in (A) and (B)?
If the answer is yes and for the life of me I can not see why it would not be; Why was the earth without form and void and darkness upon the face of the deep?
Why at this moment in time had it already been ordained for the Lamb without blemish or spot to die? What in the heck was death at this time? What had died that would even imply the state of death? Had there already been death?
Six, twenty four hour days later God was going to create a man in his own image. Was God going to create this man mortal or immortal? Why to either answer? If he were going to create him immortal why had he made a promise of the hope of eternal life before he created him? There have been a whole bunch of these men who have lived and other than the Lamb has even one other of them lived up to the glory of God?
Who was the promise of the hope of eternal life made for? Who was worthy of the promise yet out of love, gave his life? Poured out his soul unto death?
Was death the darkness upon the face of the deep? Had planet earth died?
And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness upon the face of the deep.
And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that [it was] good:
And God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. Gen.1:1-5
(B) To open their eyes, to turn from darkness to light, and the power of Satan unto God, Acts 26:18 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world. But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him. John 11:9.10
Is the darkness, light, day and night, evening and morning, speaking of the same thing in (A) and (B)?
If the answer is yes and for the life of me I can not see why it would not be; Why was the earth without form and void and darkness upon the face of the deep?
Why at this moment in time had it already been ordained for the Lamb without blemish or spot to die? What in the heck was death at this time? What had died that would even imply the state of death? Had there already been death?
Six, twenty four hour days later God was going to create a man in his own image. Was God going to create this man mortal or immortal? Why to either answer? If he were going to create him immortal why had he made a promise of the hope of eternal life before he created him? There have been a whole bunch of these men who have lived and other than the Lamb has even one other of them lived up to the glory of God?
Who was the promise of the hope of eternal life made for? Who was worthy of the promise yet out of love, gave his life? Poured out his soul unto death?
Was death the darkness upon the face of the deep? Had planet earth died?
And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
OK Rob, I can "read" your reply in two different ways. Excluding the last sentence, of course.
In your opinion was "long ago" millions of years or a few thousand?
It does matter what one believes. Either God created the earth and all that it contained within 6 days or He didn't. It does matter who one believes.
I know, cause I've been there, done that. It wasn't easy for a former theistic evolutionist to undo 50+ years of indroctrination. Especially for one who has had a life-long interest in the 'ologies encompassed by this subject. If money had been no object, I would have majored in marine biology with minors in archeology, geology, palentology and possibly genetics in college.
When my evolutionist belief was challenged, I began to look for alternative explainations for what I'd been taught. Two points here. First, was prayers for guidance in my studies. Second, I was determined to counter that challenge. And a third. Prayers seeking truth, regardless of the outcome.
Please let me say again, it wasn't easy. I didn't reach the turning point, until the day I ran across a blibical explaination for coal and, in particular, oil deposits. When my background interest in all those 'ologies sprinkled with a little common sense kicked in, the evolutionary theory failed. Catastrophic events, such as a massive earthwide flood, had to quickly bury and compress massive amounts of fairly fresh decomposing organic materials.
Once that light bulb came on, the rest of the pieces of the alternative picture fell into place. A picture that kept God firmly in His place as Creator. Instead of the "evolutionary process" that is trying to write Him out of existence.
In closing, and in a side note, it's an interesting study, over the span of history, how many times mankind though itself to be right. Only to have theories set aside. A study of the history of microbiology is a good example.
Oh well.
At the most, I only have a few more years left before He calls me home. A time and place where "theories" are cast aside. A time to learn the truth while sitting at His feet.
I'm just one of those "gun carrying, bible toting, clinging to religion" rednecks that the ZERO mentioned, but seems to me that if we just believe GOD first, and let science adapt to His word, things are a lot simpler than if we let SCIENCE take the reins.
JUST MHO!!!:thumbs::thumbs:
The last sentence wasn't directed towards anyone in particular Oldtimer - I've been fossilizing a bit myself lately.OK Rob, I can "read" your reply in two different ways. Excluding the last sentence, of course.
In your opinion was "long ago" millions of years or a few thousand?
It does matter what one believes. Either God created the earth and all that it contained within 6 days or He didn't. It does matter who one believes. I
It seems we've been to the same places but doing it in opposite directions.
I understood the 7 day creation in a simplistic way as a new Christian and over the decades have developed a broader understanding of the meaning of the creation passages.
When it comes to dinosaurs in general, the biblical evidence is less than clear but I think we can all agree that it was 'a long time ago'.
If you study the issue with diligence you find that good Christians hold a great variety of opinions on this topic.
Merely quoting Genesis 1 won't convince anyone.
These good Christians believe the same God as you, read the same scriptures you do, they may even go to the same church you do, but they interpret the words you posted differently.
They are just as convinced that God created the universe and everything in it in six days... they just interpret the meaning of the words broadly.
Rob