Discerning the Kingdom of Light vs the Kingdom of Darkness

[Calypsis4]

Well over 30 years ago our church in Indiana would have yearly 'spooktacular's' and bring all the teens out for a night of fun and horror. One year the local farmer who belonged to our church loaned us his big barn for the event and we bused dozens of kids out to his farm to take a terror trek through it. There were monsters, vampires, cob webs, cow guts, blood, and all other kinds of horrid things to scare them with. We did it all in fun to entertain the kids. The leading athlete on our schools wrestling team was a 260 lb black kid who bragged that there was nothing we could do to scare him. He ended up being so terrified by what he saw in that barn that he ended up on his face on the floor of the barn, screaming and covering his ears with his hands. It took four or five men to pick him up and carry him out becaue he was too terrified to get up. We all laughed about that and thought it was quite funny....

....but I don't think it's funny now.

Below is an ad for a Halloween spooktacular as promoted by a liberal church. But Bible believing churches are doing this also...all across the country.


Unfortunately, I gladly participated in this fiasco and continued to do so until the last year I attended that church. Then it happened...

One year at Halloween one of the men in our church dressed up like a vampire...with blood running out the side of his mouth. He looked like a Dracula figure, first class. He went walking down the church hallway and my 5 year old daughter Marcia saw him. She was instantly terrorized and she flipped out; so strongly that she became temporarily autistic. I was called in to the office about it and I was horrified to see her in that condition. It was the first time in my life that I had seen any of my children like that & I was in near panic trying to get her to respond. Finally she did respond to my love and she quickly hugged me and soon told me what scared her so badly.

Lesson # 1: One can't play with fire without getting burned; sooner or later.

I never made the connection between our involvement in celebrating Halloween and II Timothy 1:7

For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

The fact is that I was responsible for what happened to my little girl and the pastor was responsible for the terror that he allowed to affect our teenagers. It was a spiritual blindness that I cannot even begin to rationalize now. We were all absolutely blind to what Paul told Timothy in this regard but as I was to find out, that spirit of fear he mentioned was and is an evil spirit/devil.

Devils don't care if Christians believe in Jesus, go to church, or read their Bible regularly....for if they get involved in dark things they can operate through any compromise with evil.

Lesson # 2 One cannot arbitrarily decide that evil things are not evil without consequences.

In the late 1980's I allowed the children in class here to have a weekly time of fun and relaxation on Friday afternoons. Sometimes they played outside. Sometimes they played games. On one occasion I allowed the children to watch movies like "The Neverending Story" and "The Little Mermaid". What a mistake on my part! What blindness. But it's not like the devil didn't make it obvious. The very symbol of The Neverending Story struck me as demonic as soon as I saw it:



The serpent swallowing its tail is the Ourobouros of the occult and pagan world and I knew it. My conscience was immediately pricked when I saw it, but I repressed my feelings and let them watch that evil movie anyway.

A few years later I was sitting in the living room with my family here at home and suddenly my youngest (13 yr old) daughter started acting strangely. Soon she was making faces at me and that was disturbing, but not nearly as disturbing as it was when her face transformed before me: her bottom lip went clear down to her chin and her upper lip was touching her nose and I could see every tooth in her head. She started mocking me and when I demanded to know what spirit had control of her the evil spirit spoke through her and said, "Neverending Story...does that tell you anything?" That night I had to cast a number of devils out of my girls life. I was surprised by the number of them but each of them was related to one of the characters in that movie. I was stunned when one of the devils shouted at me, "We've been in her a long time, preacher, and you didn't even know it!" That shook my to the core, but it led me to soon pray for forgiveness from God to allow the children to be exposed to evil things. The Lord was very patient with me and merciful to my daughter. She was delivered from the evil spirits in the name of Jesus.

Yet, God was patient and letting me learn by experience just where the boundaries of good and evil really are. Those boundaries are not where most biblical Christians want them to be because millions of believers are in a state of compromise with evil on many levels in this day and age.

Lesson # 3 Evil is still evil in no matter what form it happens to manifest itself and the devils will function in each of them whether we happen to see it or not.

My wife and I stayed in a motel in a distant city in the mid-1980's. We watched a Jim Henson (originator of the Muppets) kids movie together called The Dark Crystal. I was instantly blown away by the very first scene:



As soon as I saw it I knew exactly what it was: black magick. I found it hard to believe that the creator of the Muppets would be involved in such dark sinister things but that is exactly what he was involved in. It was pure gnosticism from beginning to end, just like the Roman Catholic mystic J.R.R. Tolkiens The Lord of the Rings...which so many believers are infatuated with. Yet most biblical Christians today don't even know what gnosticism is and don't recognize it when it is laid before them.

But that is quite the point, for modern Christians, recognizing evil in all of its forms is a huge problem and many have involved themselves in evil things and darkness willfully because of personal preferences without consideration as to what the Bible says about evil. It is a blindness to be sure, but I remember my own blindness and how I rationalized things to suave my conscience. However, the devils don't care about our rationalizations and they laugh at us when we do this. They will invade any territory of our minds that we surrender to them just as the Philistines did so often in invading ancient Israel because of the compromising Israelites of old.

 

[matt wade]

Thanks for reminding me that my youngest son has never seen The NeverEnding Story. It's a great movie and I'm sure he will enjoy it.

Seeing as I don't have any mental issues, I don't think I'll have any delusions or hallucinations that my child is possessed by such delightful characters like Engywook, Falkor, or Morla.

 

[PreachTony]

As soon as I saw it I knew exactly what it was: black magick. I found it hard to believe that the creator of the Muppets would be involved in such dark sinister things but that is exactly what he was involved in. It was pure gnosticism from beginning to end, just like the Roman Catholic mystic J.R.R. Tolkiens The Lord of the Rings...which so many believers are infatuated with. Yet most biblical Christians today don't even know what gnosticism is and don't recognize it when it is laid before them.

You do realize that there is not always a demon hiding under every bush and around every corner, right?

 

[Calypsis4]

You do realize that there is not always a demon hiding under every bush and around every corner, right?

Gee, I think I heard that somewhere before......about five dozen times over the last 27 years.

But like the statement, "You're on a witch hunt!" my response is, "Yeah, and I've found some real live witches too, and some of them are now serving Jesus Christ & are no longer witches because of that 'witch hunt'.

Some like this:

Her name is Beth George and she 'graced' the cover of this occult book until after it became known that she accepted Christ and tossed out witchcraft.

Thank you for your comment.

 

[Calypsis4]

And just why would I ever think that The Lord of the Rings is demonic or gnostic?

Boy, that's a real hard one!:thumbsup:



But the LOTR lovers might reply, "Well, it is a battle between good and evil and there are good guys fighting against evil."

Right...but without God. the Catholic mystic Tolkien never mentioned the name of God or Jesus Christ in the entire three part series. That by definition, is gnostic, for the ancient gnostics believed in the war between good and evil but left Jesus out of the picture.

Here is one of the 'good guy's'; Gandalf the wizard who fought against the evil orcs and against Saruman the 'evil' wizard.



But there is a problem; There is no such thing as a 'good' wizard according to scripture and Gandalf's magic power came from the same source as his mentor Saruman the evil wizard.

Search the scriptures and see what God said about wizards. They were to be put to death by the ancient government of Israel.

Levitucus 19:31 Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God.
Leviticus 20:6 And the soul that turneth after such as have familiar spirits, and after wizards, to go a whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people.

So why do I say that LOTR is demonic and full of evil wizardy (on both sides of the battle)? It shouldn't be hard to see...except to worldly minded believers who rationalize their pet sins to the nth degree in order to escape the light of truth in the matter.

I was to learn that modern witches and other dark artists love The Lord of the Rings, The Chronicles of Narnia by Lewis, Harry Potter books and movies, etc. Why? Because those stories are full of their gnostic beliefs, evil spirits, and doctrines of witchcraft; that's why.

From a witchcraft website. Things like this are not hard to find in such places.

 

[PreachTony]

And just why would I ever think that The Lord of the Rings is demonic or gnostic?

But the LOTR lovers might reply, "Well, it is a battle between good and evil and there are good guys fighting against evil."

Right...but without God. the Catholic mystic Tolkien never mentioned the name of God or Jesus Christ in the entire three part series. That by definition, is gnostic, for the ancient gnostics believed in the war between good and evil but left Jesus out of the picture.

Here is one of the 'good guy's'; Gandalf the wizard who fought against the evil orcs and against Saruman the 'evil' wizard.

But there is a problem; There is no such thing as a 'good' wizard according to scripture and Gandalf's magic power came from the same source as his mentor Saruman the evil wizard.

Search the scriptures and see what God said about wizards. They were to be put to death by the ancient government of Israel.

So why do I say that LOTR is demonic and full of evil wizardy (on both sides of the battle)? It shouldn't be hard to see...except to worldly minded believers who rationalize their pet sins to the nth degree in order to escape the light of truth in the matter.

I was to learn that modern witches and other dark artists love The Lord of the Rings, The Chronicles of Narnia by Lewis, Harry Potter books and movies, etc. Why? Because those stories are full of their gnostic beliefs, evil spirits, and doctrines of witchcraft; that's why.

While this might likely be nothing more than a futile effort, please consider this. (and allow me to nerd-out for a bit):

If you would look beyond Lord of the Rings, and see Tolkein's prior story, The Silmarillion, you would see that Tolkein's mythology in the Lord of the Rings is analogous to Christian spirituality. It's not a perfect 1:1 analogy, but there is much Christian allusion within Tolkein's story. (Same goes for CS Lewis...)

Tolkein's mythology does indeed have a creator, named Iluvatar, or Eru; a similar convention to Hebrew names and titles for the Lord. Eru created the Valar and the Maiar; similar to how God created the angels (cherubim and seraphim). One of the Valar fell from grace and several Maiar followed after him. The "wizards" were Maiar in a guise suitable for appearance to mortal beings. One of the wizards similarly fell from grace, but the others acted as the messengers of Eru, as they had been sent.

There was a chosen people (the Elves), some of which rejected the plan of Eru and some of which accepted it. The "demons" that you showed are called Orcs. They are corrupted versions of the Elves.

 

[blessedwife318]

Considering that the OP is telling us to stay away from all these demonic things I find its intersting that he would spend any time on occultic websites.

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[Calypsis4]

blessedwife Considering that the OP is telling us to stay away from all these demonic things I find its intersting that he would spend any time on occultic websites.

So, we should remain 'ignorant of Satan's devices, right'?

2 Corinth. 2:11 Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.

It would seem that a Christian would rejoice at the testimony of people being freed from the snares of Satan and how wonderfully our Lord delivered them according to His promises. Why wouldn't you think so?

 

[matt wade]

So, we should remain 'ignorant of Satan's devices, right'?

2 Corinth. 2:11 Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.

It would seem that a Christian would rejoice at the testimony of people being freed from the snares of Satan and how wonderfully our Lord delivered them according to His promises. Why wouldn't you think so?

So if I play D&D for the sake of not being ignorant of Satan's devices, that's ok right?

 

[Revmitchell]

Rom_16:19 ........... but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil.

 

[Calypsis4]

Thanks for your reply, PreachTony.

1. 24 yrs ago a Hindu woman and her husband came to me after one of my seminars and told me how they were being haunted; among other things I later found out that they were both deeply into mysticism and the husband told me that he had read the Silmarillion and other such books. They were both heavily demonized and as I counseled with them together and we dealt with the spirits and mentioned the Tolkien stuff...(among other things I mentioned above) the oddest thing happened: the skin on their faces and arms began to be supernaturally stretched towards each other as if they had just become human magnets. We all saw it. I regret not recording it but they were pulled together as if the law of gravity had changed and was now horizontal in nature rather than vertical. This happened several times until the devils of mysticism were cast out. I was to find out later that they had shared evil spirits and they were coming out of them at the same time...so the effect the Lord caused to be obvious. Those two people could not have possibly faked that in my office.

Later, when the husband decided to toss out all of his mystical books and paraphenalia he was startled to hear the noise of hissing snakes as the occult junk was tossed into the fire. He told me it was unmistakable.

2. The Creator Gods name is not named Iluvatar, or Eru. He is YHWH, Jehovah, Adonai, etc. The names you refer to are pagan names.
http://www.resurrectisis.org/Number3.htm

3. The demons are 'orcs'. I am aware of that.

"Fiery the angels fell, and as they rose deep thunder roll'd around their shores: indignant burning with the fires of Orc." William Blake.

Don't be naive, my dear Christian friend. Those are devils and they love to appear in movies and on the front cover of magazines and computer games. I have personally encountered quite a few 'orcs' and they don't deny their connection to whats in those movies and magazines, etc. in fact they often bragged about it.

 

[Calypsis4]

Rom_16:19 ........... but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil.

Tell me something, Rev: does Romans 16:9 and II Corinth. 2:11 contradict each other? Yes/no.

Your attitude in this matter reveals an ignorance that explains why you are so much in the dark about what's going on and why you are so critical of one who told you the truth about the spiritual matters I laid before the readers here in B.B. this week. Everything I said was both truthful and accurate and I have many witnesses to the things I said. I even offered to allow you to be in connection with one of those witnesses and you dissed that offer. That offer is now null and void.

Nonetheless, I wish you well.

 

[Inspector Javert]

Calypsis, I humbly ask you to consider for one moment your obsession with the demonic.
I know you mean only well, but, it is not healthy for you.

You are preoccupied with and obsessed with, demons, Satan, and the forces of darkness.
This is unhealthy.
It's dangerous.

Allow me to suggest one thing to you:
Satan is WAY more subtle and intelligent than you give him credit for.
He isn't as obvious as you paint him out to be.

Just remember the Scriptures..........
2Co 11:14
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

Satan doesn't come looking like Gollum, or a demon, or a "Drider" or ghost, hobgoblin, or vampire.

You have become obsessed with seeking ghouls and ghosts that you've forgotten Satan is WAY more clever than you are. The moment you THINK you've got the "discernment" to combat him....the moment you THINK you have him all figured out...You've lost the battle. He is WAY more clever than you, and he can deceive you quicker than you can say "Bob's your uncle." I fear for you.
I honestly fear that you are deceived by Satan. And I'll explain why.

You are convinced you are privy to all his tricks.
You are convinced that you alone (as opposed to the myriads of Godly Christians here) understand his tricks and his Modus Operandi.
You seem convinced that you have had so much knowledge and so much experience that you, a rare prophet amongst the believers are the authority on all things demonic.
You think that you have out-smarted Satan.

I think you're dangerous.

C.S. Lewis made a salient point in his introduction to The Screwtape Letters which you may benefit from:

"There are two equal and opposite errors into which our race can fall about the devils. One is to disbelieve in their existence. The other is to believe, and to feel an excessive and unhealthy interest in them. They themselves are equally pleased with both errors and hail a materialist or a magician with the same delight."

I submit that you are dangerously close to the second.
Satan doesn't manifest himself as a goblin or ghoul.
He doesn't manifest himself as a Drider or spider or orc or demon or zombie.
He manifests himself as an angel of light.

And yet, you are obsessed with and only cite ghouls and ghosts in regards to the demonic forces you claim to battle and have victory over.....
They've got you obsessed with them.
You spend more time on this board speaking the name of Satan than the name of Jesus Christ.
You spend more time here obsessing over demons than you do glorifying the shed blood of Christ.

You spend more time thinking about and speaking about the Devil than you do about God.

Check yourself...

Rev has given you Scripture by which you can live:

Rom_16:19 ........... but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil.
You don't think yourself "simple" concerning evil...but an authority.

You are on dangerous ground.
Because you are deceived.

 

[Calypsis4]

Inspector Javert; Calypsis, I humbly ask you to consider for one moment your obsession with the demonic.

I humbly ask you for one moment to consider that you are wrong. The gospel of Jesus Christ is what I preach and helping people through deliverance comes on occasion as the Lord brings it. I haven't had a deliverance session in nearly two years. I spend my time preaching, teaching, visiting the sick, helping the helpless, and encouraging my brethren. Your criticism is utterly unjustified.

Strange that you did not make this criticism of me when I was posting on the other threads concerning the rapture, tribulation, antichrist, prophecy etc.

I know you mean only well, but, it is not healthy for you.

Gee, you should have warned me 32 yrs ago.:thumbsup:

If you mean well then stop criticizing and instead praise the Lord for the witches, satanists, and black magic practitioners that we have converted. There have been quite a few of them and I don't think they would appreciate what you have said.

You are preoccupied with and obsessed with, demons, Satan, and the forces of darkness.
This is unhealthy.
It's dangerous.

The devils we encounter tell me that also. Do you think I believe them? They cannot stand for the light of God's Word to expose them and they demand that I stop. I won't.

I will try to be polite, but I have a calling and therefore no intention of taking heed to such well meaning but shallow advice.

Best wishes to you

 

[Revmitchell]

Charismatics can't seem to live without being fed the excitement of their perceived supernatural experiences. Its a flesh thing.

 

[Sapper Woody]

What's amazing to me is that no matter what one of us says, the hider has seen someone possessed by that demon.

 

[matt wade]

What's amazing to me is that no matter what one of us says, the hider has seen someone possessed by that demon.

I wonder if he's seen someone possessed by the monster from Sesame Street called the Cookie Monster?

:laugh:

 

[Rolfe]

Considering that the OP is telling us to stay away from all these demonic things I find its intersting that he would spend any time on occultic websites.

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Yep........

 

[Inspector Javert]

I humbly ask you for one moment to consider that you are wrong. The gospel of Jesus Christ is what I preach

Perhaps, but you spend ODIOUS amounts of time on this board ferreting out devils, not preaching any gospel....
I'm calling what I see, and you are defending your effort ferreting out demons not your efforts in preaching the gospel.

and helping people through deliverance comes on occasion as the Lord brings it.

Our Lord and Saviour could do that without your help, but it would drive you CRAZY if he tried without your assistance.....That's my guess anyway.

I haven't had a deliverance session in nearly two years.

My guess?
That drives you crazy 'cause I think you're itching for it.

I spend my time preaching, teaching, visiting the sick, helping the helpless, and encouraging my brethren.

On this board, you spend odious amounts of time talking about demons and devils and ghouls and driders and gollums and ghosts.....

No one else does.

Your criticism is utterly unjustified.

It's "justified".
You can follow my advice or not, you can debate it or not, but it has some warrant. That much is so.

Strange that you did not make this criticism of me when I was posting on the other threads concerning the rapture, tribulation, antichrist, prophecy etc.
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That isn't "Strange" it's to be expected....
Why would I warn you against an obsession with the demonic in a thread about Eschatology in which it was unmentioned????
It seems perfectly reasonable to me.
Precisely why, exactly is that "strange" to you?

Gee, you should have warned me 32 yrs ago.:thumbsup:

I'm only 36 so I couldn't, but I'm willing to bet money SOMEONE did, and you reacted to them the same way you are reacting to your critics now.
Too much of your sense of self-worth and meaning is tied into this at this point, I don't think any criticism will bypass your defenses, only the Holy Spirit could get your attention.

If you mean well then stop criticizing

If you can't differentiate between what I have said as a warning and "criticism" than you are more far gone than I thought.

and instead praise the Lord for the witches, satanists, and black magic practitioners that we have converted.

YOU haven't converted anybody.
That's why I am suggesting my warnings.
Your self-image is too tied up in this to hear the critiques of other godly posters like Sapper-Woody who have spent odious amounts of effort attempting to steer you correctly.

If you won't listen to him....
Than...
Well....

There have been quite a few of them and I don't think they would appreciate what you have said.

If they are truly converted they WOULD...
Only YOU wouldn't because it insults your pride.

You have been provided Scripture by others here, and you have ignored it.
Any other person "delivered" who truly seeks God will appreciate the advice. Unless, of course you presume to speak for them, which....apparently you do...
since, and I quote: "WE have converted" them.

The devils we encounter tell me that also.

No, they don't.

No devils you encounter tell you to STOP obsessing about devils, witches, ghouls, goblins, driders, gollums, zombies, vampires or warlocks.

No devil you have ever truly heard from would tell you to do that, they are thrilled to death that you speak of them so much. They LOVE the attention you give them.

Do you think I believe them?

I think you don't know who you are hearing from and when.

They cannot stand for the light of God's Word to expose them

No, they can't; you are right about this one.

and they demand that I stop.

No they don't....
You've given them more air-time on Baptist-Board in the last 24 hours than they've had in the last 2 years.....
They're cool with it.

I won't.

No, you won't, that's what they like about you.

I will try to be polite,

You've more or less succeeded....kudos to you.

but I have a calling

Do you?
How do you know?
Who is it from?
What Scripture would you cite to suggest that there is a special calling for those whose task it is to drive out devils?
Is there a special calling for exorcists?
Is that Biblical?
Do you care if it is?
From what Biblical authority do you derive your presumption of the title exorcist?

Chapter?
Verse?

and therefore no intention of taking heed to such well meaning but shallow advice.

I know you have no intention of taking heed to it, but it's a warning posted so that others may not fall into the same trap.

 

[Calypsis4]

Inspector Javert;

Perhaps, but you spend ODIOUS amounts of time on this board ferreting out devils, not preaching any gospel....

No, I actually spent more time on the prophecy thread than this one. And after this I will be going back there.

I'm calling what I see, and you are defending your effort ferreting out demons not your efforts in preaching the gospel.

So do I. Do you have an obsession with correcting others? You see you are wasting my time and the time of the other readers on a useless point you are trying to make. I am here to expose the works of the devil. When I am finished I will move on to other subjects, just like I always do.

Our Lord and Saviour could do that without your help, but it would drive you CRAZY if he tried without your assistance.....That's my guess anyway.

Of course He could. He can do without your useless criticism too.

My guess?
That drives you crazy 'cause I think you're itching for it.

Oh, you've got me all figured out. All 32 yrs of seeing God's power and blessing don't count with you nor do the lives of those we've touched in such a wonderful way.

On this board, you spend odious amounts of time talking about demons and devils and ghouls and driders and gollums and ghosts.....

Gee, I wonder why?:applause: Could it be that I have actually, personally, and in reality encountered those same devils...by those same designations? Gasp! I seem to recall that I did....scores of times.

No one else does.

Is spiritual warfare and deliverance off limit on this board? Yes/no. Is spiritual warfare and deliverance in the Bible? Yes/no.

I rest my case.

Bye. :wavey: