Do We baptists teach Enough On person And Role Of The Holy Spirit For Today?

Since you've opened the subject, I'll throw in a question or two to stimulate some discussion.

What do we mean by the following:
Baptism of the Holy Spirit
Baptism with the Holy Spirit
Baptism in the Holy Spirit
Baptism by the Holy Spirit (or can I Cor 12:13 be translated "in one Spirit"?)
Being filled with the Spirit
Being indwelt by the Spirit

What is the role of the Holy Spirit in salvation?
In regeneration?
In illuminating the mind?
In renewing the mind?
In convicting of sin?

Release the hounds!

 

Answering the OP title: I think so. If we were suppose to promote the Spirit then I think there would be sufficient scripture making that clear. He is the promoter of Christ and we do not have to call on Him to get Him to work. All we are to do is surrender to His workings. In fact I am convinced that those who pray to Him are in sin since scripture tells us how to pray and it never says to pay to the Spirit. So if we do it our way I think we are in sin. In fact I know of no single passage where anyone ever called on the Spirit to do anything and to do so in my opinion is sin. They did call on God to use the Spirit, but no one called on the Spirit Himself and to do so is sin. I believe even praising Him is improper as I know of no passage where it was done.
I think we need to know who He is and what He does and that this is a person who is God not an it, but nothing more as nothing more is given about Him.

 

DHK on another thread was adamant that the spiritual gifts have ceased. Wonder if he thinks that the Holy Spirit has changed along with the cessation of gifts?

One thing that I've seen in many churches is that the Holy Spirit is invoked, spoken about, taught, etc., but that local body thinks that they are the only ones doing so!

 

I am not sure what you are asking, but if you mean teaching about the Holy Spirit brings revival I would say no. Some call emotionalism revivals and they are just that with no lasting change. Preaching about sin and repentance brings revivals. Jesus is the One who needs to be taught not the Holy Spirit.

 

Show us any message in the NT that suggests we are to preach, pray to or seek the Holy Spirit. It does teach we are to surrender or walk in the the Spirit but no suggestion that teach, pray or seek Him. It is all about Jesus and any deviation from that would be sin.

 

Agree... We can do nothing apart from the Holy Spirit that seals and indwells us with Christ, Himself, regarding ministry, nor is the Word of God powerful itself apart from the work of the Holy Spirit. The Bible is not some sort of Christian talisman or magical incantation, it is the living Word of the Living God and that by the Living Holy Spirit.

 

I don't think we preach on the Holy spirit very much, but I think that is appropriate as we are never taught in scripture to seek after Him only submit or walk in Him. I think it good to understand the trinity and how they work, at least with what information we have, but the focus must be on the Lord Jesus. I don't think we would have any closer walk with the Lord if the Spirit was preached. I think repentance and holiness with law needs to be preached with explanation so as not to lose sight of the spirit of the law and fall into legalism.

 

Two of the most powerful verses of warning in the entire NT concern our actions regarding the Holy Spirit.

While I believe you are correct, in that we ought take heed as to how we pray, teach, preach, etc., Jesus Himself had much to say in His own teaching concerning the Holy Spirit, as does the rest of the NT, and portions of the OT. We ignore teaching and preaching on those subjects to our peril.

Mark 3:22-30 (NKJV) "And the scribes who came down from Jerusalem said, 'He has Beelzebub,' and, 'By the ruler of the demons He casts out demons.' …'Assuredly, I [Jesus] say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they may utter; but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation;' because they said, 'He has an unclean spirit'"

Matthew 12:31-32 (NKJV) "Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come"

 

I am not suggesting no teaching on the Spirit as that would be incorrect. I think those passages would fall under explaining the workings of the trinity, their differences and such, but I would point out that a Christian cannot blaspheme the Spirit. Only the lost can do that so I would not hammer on warning the church about that..

 

Yea like when.....Tom Baker will testify he's been in a church where the HS filled it, Others have also told me like stories & what about the experiences of Wesly, Whitefield, Lloyd-Jones, Edwards, Moody etc how bout the Welsh Revivals.....so from my prospective this is not some forbidden doctrine. This is New Testament Christianity.

 

Thats because we suppressed it. (1 Thessalonians 5: 19-21 " Quench not the Spirit...) There is nothing in the NT which says that it was not so limited. The history of revivals prove that. what is there about today that makes it different or exceptional? There is nothing. God is the same, the power of the spirit is the same, our needs are the same. Put all these things together JF.... So if your asking yourself, "Should I seek it?" Of course you should!

 

You seem to indicate that we can somehow disallow the Holy Spirit His work. That is akin to saying that God has no power. I'm not very comfortable with that concept. In fact, I'm running!

5 Jesus answered, “I assure you: Unless someone is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 Whatever is born of the flesh is flesh, and whatever is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not be amazed that I told you that you must be born again. 8 The wind blows where it pleases, and you hear its sound, but you don’t know where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”
John 3:5-8 (HCSB)

Can we stop the wind from blowing? We might build a wall, which will halt the effects of the wind, but it still blows!