Do YOU Have full assurance that you are saved, and heaven bound?

[Yeshua1]

1 John3:9 - "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin;
for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God".

If thou relies solely on the venerable KJV, thou art quite foolish indeed.

The correct meaning of the Greek is "will not continue to sin".
IMO, habitually ... for this certainly goes against the new blessed nature of the BAC.

However, any BAC may and can choose to exercise his free will, and habitually sin!
A diseased orange is still an orange, but t'will be thrown in da fire to be burned.

Please, try to get with God's program! ... You're laggin' behind.
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God removed that option to have the saint saved by God live in a state of habitual sinning, as the new nature will not allow for that!

Can sin, can even sin for a season, but NOT do it without any conviction/remorse etc, and the truely saved get back to God!

 

[steaver]

Originally Posted by evangelist-7
1 John3:9 - "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin;
for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God".

If thou relies solely on the venerable KJV, thou art quite foolish indeed.

The correct meaning of the Greek is "will not continue to sin".
IMO, habitually ... for this certainly goes against the new blessed nature of the BAC.

However, any BAC may and can choose to exercise his free will, and habitually sin!
A diseased orange is still an orange, but t'will be thrown in da fire to be burned.

Please, try to get with God's program! ... You're laggin' behind.

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Which way do you want it E7??

(A) The correct meaning of the Greek is "will not continue to sin".

OR

(B) However, any BAC may and can choose to exercise his free will, and habitually sin!

You can't have it both ways! As you can see, even versions other than the KJV destroy your argument!

As one can see, (A) is the word of God and thus "correct". (B) is the word of E7 which contradicts (A) the Word of God.

 

[evangelist-7]

After all of these months, el Steavador still does not understand my position.
Nevertheless, 'tis a nice cigar.

God's elect will eventually cease to continue in habitual unrepentant sin.
(They respond to God's many warnings and threats.)

Everyone else (including some BACs) will not cease to continue in habitual unrepentant sin.

Dis is the dividing line between the two.
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[steaver]

After all of these months, el Steavador still does not understand my position.
Nevertheless, 'tis a nice cigar.

God's elect will eventually cease to continue in habitual unrepentant sin.
(They respond to God's many warnings and threats.)

Everyone else (including some BACs) will not cease to continue in habitual unrepentant sin.

Dis is the dividing line between the two.
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1John3:9 Doesn't work out for your doctrine...

1John3:9 - "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin;
for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God".

(A) "Whosoever" - is ALL inclusive of ALL "born of God".

(B) The born of God "cannot sin" - there is no choice given in the matter.

(C) "for his seed (Jesus Christ/Holy Spirit) remaineth in him" - is the reason he (the born of God) cannot sin.

Your argument against OSAS is destroyed in just this one verse of scripture, let alone the dozens of others throughout the bible. Please repent of the dead works and trust in Jesus Christ alone and His works alone!!

 

[Yeshua1]

After all of these months, el Steavador still does not understand my position.
Nevertheless, 'tis a nice cigar.

God's elect will eventually cease to continue in habitual unrepentant sin.
(They respond to God's many warnings and threats.)

Everyone else (including some BACs) will not cease to continue in habitual unrepentant sin.

Dis is the dividing line between the two.
.

So the true elect are those who final obtain sinless perfection state?

 

[saturneptune]

No -- OSAS is totally debunked here

1Cor 9

23 I do all things for the sake of the gospel, so that I may become a fellow partaker of it. ... 27 but I discipline my body and make it my slave, so that, after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified.


And here -



Matt 18

32 Then summoning him, his lord *said to him, ‘You wicked slave, I forgave you all that debt because you pleaded with me. 33 Should you not also have had mercy on your fellow slave, in the same way that I had mercy on you?’ 34 And his lord, moved with anger, handed him over to the torturers until he should repay all that was owed him. 35 My heavenly Father will also do the same to you, if each of you does not forgive his brother from your heart.”

And here

Romans 2

4 Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance? 5 But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, 6 who will render to each person according to his deeds: 7 to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life;


And here

Romans 11
20 Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, butyou stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; 21 for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either.
22 Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off.
23 And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.

Too many to list right now...

in Christ,

Bob

Your entire denomination and its doctrine is debunked by Scripture. Eternal security and your disagreement with the Biblical truth is just a small part of your error.

 

[saturneptune]

So the true elect are those who final obtain sinless perfection state?

There was several years ago a thread called "The 24 Hour Sinless Day." I do not remember who started it, but by the end of the thread, he had been destroyed. The fact we sin everyday by thought, deed, or motive, or omission only leaves eternal security. The argument that this leads one to live any type of life style is ridiculous. With Christ, we are a new Creation, our pattern of life changes. That does not mean glorification on earth. One who continues to lead the same life style is not saved in the first place.

The ones against eternal security have never explained at what point one loses their salvation. Is it the first thought, second deed, or third motive? How does one regain salvation? Say another prayer? Walk another aisle? Hang Christ on the cross again? How is one ever settled in their mind, not knowing when they are going to die, and not really sure when they will sin, if they know which sin takes them over the line? What a pathetic way to live, and what a milquetoast approach to the Bible and God. They must love the game of Russian roulette.

 

[The Biblicist]

1 John3:9 - "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin;
for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God".

If thou relies solely on the venerable KJV, thou art quite foolish indeed.

Tell me, what aspect of your human nature was born again? Was it your body? Jesus said it is your "spirit" - Jn. 3:6 - not your flesh! Paul said what was born again was "created in righteousness and TRUE HOLINESS" (Eph. 4:24; Col. 3:10). Tell me, does "true holiness" contain sin? Is not God "true holiness" does His Person include sin?

John is saying what he means! That aspect of human nature which is "born again" CANNOT SIN because it is "born of God" and what is born of God cannot sin because it is CREATED in righteousness and TRUE HOLINESS. It is this born again, sinless spirit that provides the holy tabernacle for the Holy Spirit to dwell within you and so our spirit bears witness with His Spirit that we are the children of God.

Your body and soul have not been born of God. Your body will be glorified - sin removed at the resurrection. Your soul is being PROGRESSIVELY CLEANSED but has not been "born of God."

That is why salvation is found in three tenses (saved, being saved, shall be saved) and soteriology is found in three major divisions (regeneration, sanctification, glorification) becasue you are made in the threefold image of God - spirit, soul and body (1 Thes. 5:23) and the Word of God can distinguish between spirit and soul in your immaterial self as much as it can discern between bone and morrow in your material self (Heb. 4:12).

The new birth obtains entrance into heaven. Glorification obtains fitness for entrance into heaven and the saints are glorified BEFORE they stand before Christ as they are glorified IN THE RESURRECTION. Thus they obtain entrance and fitness for heaven as a gift before they stand in judgment for REWARDS in heaven.

Your whole doctrine of falling away from salvation confuses scriptures that deal with salvation as a gift versus the daily expression of good and bad works that determine the loss or salvation of our time, rewards, blessings, usefulness, joy and service along with scriptures that expose false professors. Hence, you take two types of scriptures where false professors are exposed and/or where the loss or salvation of the daily life is being discussed and confuse it with scriptures that deal with the security of heaven due to new birth and glorification.

The absolute proof is that judgement of our works FOLLOWS the complete glorification of our bodies making us ALREADY FIT for entrance into heaven and thus judgment of Christians have NOTHING to do with their entrance into heaven as clearly stated by Paul in 1 Cor. 3:11-15.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Thank you, thank you, thank you

 

[evangelist-7]

The ones against eternal security have never explained at what point one loses their salvation.

Yes, okay, kindergarden is in session again!
This has been explained countless of times!
Welcome to El Clubo of Steavie Wonder and Yeshua!

God gave the commandments.
We try our best to follow them.
When we mess up, we repent.
Jesus precious blood covers the sin.
We praise Him and thank Him.

'Tis all in the attitude of the heart ... but, it's just too simple for you guys 'n gals!

Dis is being copied & saved ... for definitely t'will be needed again soon!
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[steaver]

To gain salvation, a BAC must be willing to co-operate with the Holy Spirit in removing sin!
God's Spirit will lead him to repent daily of his sins (1 John 1:9), and other important things.
E.G. no BAC will be saved who has unforgiveness or ANY unrepented-of habitual sin in his life.
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Welcome to club Moroni. "By grace are ye saved, after ye do all ye can do"

 

[Yeshua1]

After all of these months, el Steavador still does not understand my position.
Nevertheless, 'tis a nice cigar.

God's elect will eventually cease to continue in habitual unrepentant sin.
(They respond to God's many warnings and threats.)

Everyone else (including some BACs) will not cease to continue in habitual unrepentant sin.

Dis is the dividing line between the two.
.

John/peter/paul ALL stated to us though that the really saved CANNOT/WILLNOT persisit in contunual/habitual sin, for that is against their new natures and the Spirit in them now, so can sin for a reason, but will ALWAYS find way back to God!

 

[Yeshua1]

Yes, okay, kindergarden is in session again!
This has been explained countless of times!
Welcome to El Clubo of Steavie Wonder and Yeshua!

God gave the commandments.
We try our best to follow them.
When we mess up, we repent.
Jesus precious blood covers the sin.
We praise Him and thank Him.

'Tis all in the attitude of the heart ... but, it's just too simple for you guys 'n gals!

Dis is being copied & saved ... for definitely t'will be needed again soon!
.

which part of your Body is forever lost when you forfeit salvation then?

jesus died and purchased your body back, to be glorified, and you have the Holy spirit forever sealed in you, so we would be a body, with the Spirit, but no mind or soul?