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Does God Know you?
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James_Newman
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Well, you've proven that I can't find a verse where God says Christians are goats, anyway. But you haven't explained why goats are being judged with saved people at the second coming if goats are unsaved.steaver said:
Matthew 25:31-33
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
But you can ignore that and clap yourself on the back, job well done.
This is a judgement of the nations. It happens immediately after the tribulation. I don't believe that Christians will go through the tribulation, that is, I am pre-trib. So that passage doesn't apply to me. The rapture will have taken place at least seven years before this event. The sheep are those nations that have been friendly to the Jews (like the U.S.), and the goats are those nations which have been anti-semitic (like Islamic nations). Muslims, in general, have an intense hatred for the Jews. Even now their one main goal is to drive them off of their land and into the sea. The "brethrem" that Jesus speaks of, is his actual brethren, the Jews.James_Newman said:Well, you've proven that I can't find a verse where God says Christians are goats, anyway. But you haven't explained why goats are being judged with saved people at the second coming if goats are unsaved.
Matthew 25:31-33
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
But you can ignore that and clap yourself on the back, job well done.
In Revelation 19, we (believers in Christ) precede this event and come back with Christ at his coming.
James_Newman
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DHK said:
You realize you are saying that these folks will buy their salvation by being nice to Jews?
No, no one is buying salvation. There will be many unsaved that will enter into the Millennial Kingdom and still be unsaved. These are entering into the Kingdom solely on merit, not on the basis of salvation. I never said that they were saved.James_Newman said:
Remeber that at the end of a thousand years Satan shall be loosed from the bottomless pit and gather a huge army of unsaved. He will, in one final attempt try and overthrow Christ. But God shall destroy (defeat) him and his army once and forever. Where do you think his army comes from?
Hope of Glory
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steaver said:
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it hasn't been presented.
Much like those who fail to see the "both good and bad" works at the Judgment Seat of Christ.
"For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them."
That is a true statement, however it is not contextually correct in the text that is being examined.
The goats don't go to the kingdom they go to the place with aionios fire. So your statement does not hold true.
We are talking about entrance into the kingdom and exclusion from the kingdom. That can only be a saved issue. The unsaved by grace through faith apart from works can't even stand in judgment with an opportunity for the kingdom because they didn't even take the first step.
Now you proclaim that scripture has been presented that types saved individuals as goats. You know that this falls under the category of lying? I asked over and over for this scripture and no one has come forth with one. YET, you go on your way believing it is so. Very sad for one who says he strives to understand the truth of these matters.
Again, provide one post of any brother or sister in Christ who does not see "both good and bad" works being judged at the judgment seat of Christ.
And what does this scripture speaking about those who have never been converted to Christ have to do with you not providing scriptural support for your view concerning goats?
God Bless! :thumbs:
But you will still tell others that christians are goats won't you? Is that decietful?
What is there to explain? It is after the rapture and after the tribulation. The scripture declares it is so yet you somehow believe it cannot be!
Someone spoon fed you some doctrines and you accepted them without exploring them exhaustively to see if they hold merit. Christians are never typed as goats. Accept it and reject the temptation to say the goats are christians in Matt 25.
God Bless! :thumbs:
Everything you have provided is entirely your own opinion with nothing to back it up. Why should anyone believe your interpretation, your opinion, that you have concocted only to fit your ME theories?J. Jump said:
You don't seem to read the parable very well do you? He shall gather the the nations of the world together- It is a judgement of the nations, and it happens immediately after the tribulation, and obviously immediately after His Coming. We might say right before the MK starts if you want to be nit-picky about the official start of the MK. Every thing doesn't start bang bang. There are some days intervening between events to accomodate such events. If you read the last chapter of Daniel you will find that there are extra days between the end of the tribulation and the beginning of the MK.
Because the goats go into everlasting fire is not a default for the rest to have eternal life. But it is another chance for them to have eternal life by their entrance into the Kingdom. Their entrance into the Kingdom does not guarantee salvation. Of course this goes against the Calvinist thought as well (which you may well be). For this person must choose to be saved. It must be his choice. In spite of all that God has already done for him, and now that his life has been spared from the Great Tribulation, he will be given yet another chance in the MK. Still then it must be of his own free will to choose to trust the Saviour. Salvation is by faith in Christ.
BobRyan
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When I click on this Baptist Board website I see an add about "book of Mormon Christians". Mormon's teach that those who go to hell eventually go to heaven.
Catholics teach something about a purgatory place of torment after which the saints go to heaven.
It seems that we have some "outside of those groups" who turn hell into the same kind of thing. They claim that wicked saints burn in hell for 1000 years -- are purged of their sins and then go to heaven.
But as in all three cases - we see no actual Bible texts that claims such a thing is true.
in Christ,
Bob
Catholics teach something about a purgatory place of torment after which the saints go to heaven.
It seems that we have some "outside of those groups" who turn hell into the same kind of thing. They claim that wicked saints burn in hell for 1000 years -- are purged of their sins and then go to heaven.
But as in all three cases - we see no actual Bible texts that claims such a thing is true.
in Christ,
Bob
Hope of Glory
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Did Joseph know Mary before Jesus was born?
Hope of Glory
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And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Yet he knows everyone.
Intimacy.
Yet he knows everyone.
Intimacy.
BobRyan
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BobRyan said:
Here we have people imagining doctrines apart from scripture and taking those scriptures which directly oppose them out of the Bible by saying "we can not let that be true OR ELSE we have works" AS IF this man-made flawed-logic is a good enough excuse to bend and twist the text!
in Christ,
Bob