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Does God Love Every Individual Person in the Same Manner?

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by thatbrian, Jan 7, 2018.

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  1. thatbrian

    thatbrian Well-Known Member
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    Two presuppositions which Arminians (et al like them) bring into every discussion are, "Free Will", and God's "unconditional" love for every single person.

    Does God love everyone in the same manner? Does He have electing love for every single person?
     
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    Why don't you start by quoting some actual non-Calvinist theologians (like, e.g., Leighton Flowers, a.k.a. Skandelon on this board) who discuss their views and then we can start from there, instead of creating and arguing against a strawman?
     
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    I've started with the doctrines of theologians I interact with every day.
     
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    Do you love each of your children in the same manner?
     
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    Are all people God's children?
     
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    I'll be curious to see how the Finneyists answer this one.
     
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    Are they all His creation?
     
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    Are they al His children? Jesus answered that question. Do you agree with Him?
     
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    I agree with Jesus; and I know the reference you're alluding to. Now, are all people created by God?
     
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    Then that answers your question. God's loves His own - His elect, in a salvific manner.

    God created Adam and Eve directly, and then they reproduced.
     
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    So God did not create you or me? Asking for clarity.

    I was attempting to use the analogy of family; my original question should have been along the lines of, does God love all of His creation? But you've now brought this into a new dimension, indicating that Adam and Eve were His creation; but their offspring, not being direct creations, are therefore not His children. They could therefore be born as children of Satan (i.e., born with a sin nature); and upon salvation, be "adopted" as children of God.

    Is that the line of reasoning you're using?
     
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    Not in the same way He did Adam and Eve.

    What do you think Jesus meant when He called the Pharisees, "son's of Satan"?
     
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    Not directly.

    Adam was the product of "Creation."

    We are the product of "Procreation."

    God "Produced."

    Adam "Reproduced." :)
     
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    How much of Finney's Lectures in Systematic Theology have you read? What foundational tenets of the faith does he deny? Citations, please!
     
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    Are you defending Finney and Pelagianism?
     
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    No citations from Finney's Theology? Didn't think so.
     
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    Leighton has tried and failed over and over. He is in the process of drifting into more error as we speak. It is a mistake to call him a theologian when he could not exegete romans 9 in his failed debate....He is a nice guy...but drifting....badly.
     
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    I like Dr. Flowers...a lot!
     
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    I'll make it easy for those who don't want to interact with actual statements from non-Calvinist thinkers. Go here and bring up something and then refute it here on the BB:

    Soteriology 101
     
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    It was literally 14 minutes from the time you asked me until the time you declared "didn't think so".
     
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