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Does this verse prove election?
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Gerhard Ebersoehn said:GE:
Residents on this thread may profit greatly from MANY achived ones. The best of the best thinkers have written volumes and volumes on the topic. No one can claim he discovered something better than these mental and spiritual giants have. It beforehand tells he's a bungler.
My friend, if you have time to read "volumes and volumes" of the "best thinkers" then I recommend restructuring your time. Let alone spending so much time on one issue....I don't care how much one claims to know about the Bible....I want to know God. Part of this does come by reading the Bible....but good heavens....volumes and volumes of someone elses interpretation??!! I don't think I'll waist my time.
I have a feeling we exault the "best thinkers" more than we should.
We get people - on this Board too - who think so highly of themselves they don't need to listen to anyone else to understand the Word of God. Such, would do better not to read the Bible on their own at all, but rather listen to others, and be obedient.
In any case, I referred to the great writers and thinkers, because they are good, and I am not. Why would I be so arrogant as to try to say better what they have said perfectly well?
But deep down, it's nothing but laziness that causes men persist in their peevish errors. In fact, laziness is a fundamental depravity of man's nature. Christ frees whomsoever he saves from it too, and it tells afterwards!
In any case, I referred to the great writers and thinkers, because they are good, and I am not. Why would I be so arrogant as to try to say better what they have said perfectly well?
But deep down, it's nothing but laziness that causes men persist in their peevish errors. In fact, laziness is a fundamental depravity of man's nature. Christ frees whomsoever he saves from it too, and it tells afterwards!
Blammo said:Translation: The Bible is wrong, the theologians are right.
Blammo said:
I quit.
GE:
No, the addition is wrong, the theologians are right, and the Bible, proven right, once again. Never to quit!
Anyone else agree with this?Gerhard Ebersoehn said:Such, would do better not to read the Bible on their own at all, but rather listen to others, and be obedient.
Gerhard Ebersoehn said:In any case, I referred to the great writers and thinkers, because they are good, and I am not. Why would I be so arrogant as to try to say better what they have said perfectly well?
That is a problem. You are not good, indeed. Neither am I, but neither is any of our "great thinkers". We are all flawed and jacked up trying to get things together. You just proved my point that we elevate our "great thinkers" higher than we ought to. Though I do appreciate amazing insights of brothers and sisters in Christ, I do not do so because I think "they are good, and I am not". Rather, because they, like myself, am on a journey to know Jesus better. We are all a messed up bunch stuck on ourselves trying to unravel and become stuck on Jesus. Insights from others certainly help me in that. Caring about a "great thinker's" multiple volumes on how they interpret election may have some, but little help. I'm a little wiser than to get caught up in the error of scholasticism in our day.
Andre said:Anyone else agree with this?
Nope. Not even a little bit.
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May I ask a couple of questions?
What is election?
What are we elected to?
What is election?
What are we elected to?
Andre said:Anyone else agree with this?
GE:
Why bother to know if nobody else's insights aren't worth a penny?
On this topic though, I wouldn't mind if I alone were to think I ought to listen to others.
dann e:
"I'm a little wiser than to get caught up in the error of scholasticism in our day."
GE:
It's not the least 'scholasticism in our day'. When you read a sermon (say of Spurgeon's), that's the Gospel being heard in truest 'evangelical' sense. To 'proclaim', while 'theologising', is good - a science, an art, a gift, not for everyone. So I'll keep on to regard our Christian 'great' men, highly --- MUCH higher than any I've come accross on this Board or in the churches where I have worshipped.
"I'm a little wiser than to get caught up in the error of scholasticism in our day."
GE:
It's not the least 'scholasticism in our day'. When you read a sermon (say of Spurgeon's), that's the Gospel being heard in truest 'evangelical' sense. To 'proclaim', while 'theologising', is good - a science, an art, a gift, not for everyone. So I'll keep on to regard our Christian 'great' men, highly --- MUCH higher than any I've come accross on this Board or in the churches where I have worshipped.
One cannot preach unless one is called - elected to the task and for the responsibility. That distinction exists today as ever before. It is from God, and not to be lightly dealt with.
This pretty much says it all, I would say.Gerhard Ebersoehn said:GE:
Why bother to know if nobody else's insights aren't worth a penny?