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Doesn't Galatians 5:16-17 prove we still have sinful natures after salvation?

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Yeshua1

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But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh. 17For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please. 18But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law...

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Isn't Apostle paul admonishing the saved at this point, to resist the desires of the sin nature, and submit to God instead?
 
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Yeshua1 said:
But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh. 17For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please. 18But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law...

Galatians 5:16-17 Niv

Isn't Apostle paul admonishing the saved at this point, to resist the desires of the sin nature, and submit to God instead?
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I've always held to the belief that we still have our sin nature after salvation. In 1 Cor. 15, Paul writes that the corruptible must put on incorruption. If we no longer sin, then the incorruption is put on at salvation, not the resurrection. But that's just my belief.
 
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The "sin nature" (ie: "old man") has access through our ego/self.
The only way to overcome this is to develop a "walk" (24/7) with
the Holy Spirit, allowing the Holy Spirit to take-the-place of our ego.

see below:
 
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PreachTony said:
I've always held to the belief that we still have our sin nature after salvation. In 1 Cor. 15, Paul writes that the corruptible must put on incorruption. If we no longer sin, then the incorruption is put on at salvation, not the resurrection. But that's just my belief.
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That is when we have the sin nature forever eliminated, as we will be fully for Jesus and glorified!
 
plain_n_simple

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Doesn't Galatians 5:16-17 prove we still have sinful natures after salvation?

No. We are sons and daughters. We no longer are sin conscience. Reckon the old man dead.
 
The Biblicist

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plain_n_simple said:
No, it means we no longer have a sin nature. We put on the nature of Christ and have a Father we can go to. Sin is paid for in full.
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Again, you don't have to "put on" something if that is all you have. The very command to "put on" means it is NOT ON but something else is.

It makes NO SENSE for Paul to command Christians to "put on" one thing and to "put off" another thing if there is really nothing to put on and to put off, but that is the problem with those who deny that "the law of sin" still is part of the Christian's nature. Denying this is irrational because there would be no need for the body at the resurrection to "put on" immortality and incorruption if the body right now did not possess within it a principle of corruption and mortality. That is the very nature of the indwelling law of sin - "this body OF DEATH" - Rom. 7:24.

The fact that "put on" is found in the IMPERATIVE MODE as an AORIST TENSE proves it is an PUNCTILLIAR action that the Chrisitian is to OBEY! He does not use the INDICATIVE mode to state a fact of condition as you teach, but the IMPERATIVE mode to show it must be something OBEYED rather than an already completed STATE or CONDITION. If your theory were true, it would not be found in the imperative mode, but either in the indicative mode and perfect tense. Your position is simply wrong and the grammar proves it is wrong.
 
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plain_n_simple said:
No, it means we no longer have a sin nature. We put on the nature of Christ and have a Father we can go to. Sin is paid for in full.
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IF we have no sin nature, why are we told that we cannot be sinless until glorified?

And why would we still be found sinning then?
 
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The Biblicist said:
Again, you don't have to "put on" something if that is all you have. The very command to "put on" means it is NOT ON but something else is.

It makes NO SENSE for Paul to command Christians to "put on" one thing and to "put off" another thing if there is really nothing to put on and to put off, but that is the problem with those who deny that "the law of sin" still is part of the Christian's nature. Denying this is irrational because there would be no need for the body at the resurrection to "put on" immortality and incorruption if the body right now did not possess within it a principle of corruption and mortality. That is the very nature of the indwelling law of sin - "this body OF DEATH" - Rom. 7:24.

The fact that "put on" is found in the IMPERATIVE MODE as an AORIST TENSE proves it is an PUNCTILLIAR action that the Chrisitian is to OBEY! He does not use the INDICATIVE mode to state a fact of condition as you teach, but the IMPERATIVE mode to show it must be something OBEYED rather than an already completed STATE or CONDITION. If your theory were true, it would not be found in the imperative mode, but either in the indicative mode and perfect tense. Your position is simply wrong and the grammar proves it is wrong.
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There is a lot of mentioning in the NT about Christians having sins done in the flesh, so why is therer not yet a sin nature there still?
 
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We take on His righteousness, His nature. He wants us to. A person with a sin nature is condemned. Their is no condemnation in Christ. If we sin, it is not counted against us as from a Judge with penalty. The penalty is paid, so we go to our Father who forgave us. For a Christian to say he still has a sin nature after being born again mocks the Father's plan and mocks the price Jesus paid, as if it isn't enough.
 
The Biblicist

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plain_n_simple said:
We take on His righteousness, His nature. He wants us to. A person with a sin nature is condemned. Their is no condemnation in Christ. If we sin, it is not counted against us as from a Judge with penalty. The penalty is paid, so we go to our Father who forgave us. For a Christian to say he still has a sin nature after being born again mocks the Father's plan and mocks the price Jesus paid, as if it isn't enough.
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Your problem is very simple. Your whole being has not been redeemed yet and it should be obvious to you that your body is still corrupting due to indwelling sin and your body will die but not your spirit (Jn. 11:26). You are confusing what is "in Christ" and what is not "in Christ." Your body has not been saved, it is still under the dominion of death and death is the consequence of sin. If you don't believe this, then go visit the grave yards where ALL the physical bodies of ALL past saints still lies unredeemed.
 
The Biblicist

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plain_n_simple said:
I will not taste death
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Only your born again spirit won't taste death (Jn. 11:26) but you are deceived and you are a deceiver if you believe or teach that YOUR BODY will not taste death - What do you think is lying in the casket at every funeral you have attended? What do you think is lying in the grave yards - JUST PHYSICAL BODIES OF LOST PEOPLE?????
 
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PreachTony said:
Do you know something that we don't, plain_n_simple?

Look at that! I made it to 200 posts! :smilewinkgrin:
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I think he means he will be caught up in the air before he dies, but if that's you in the avatar it better be pretty quick. :laugh:
 
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