Donald Trump’s Vaccine

There are folks on this board that continuously post negative info about the Covid vaccine. Those same folks are mostly strong supporters of DT.

This thread is NOT about the vaccine.

This thread is about why DT supporters give him a pass on the vaccine. The last est is to claim VP Pence is responsible for the vaccine and was deliberately undermining DT.

DT initiated “Operation Warp Speed”. It was a streamlined effort to produce the Covid vaccine. The usual safeguards were bypassed. The clinical trials were rushed. The pharmaceutical companies were given civil and criminal immunity and tens of Billions of $$$$.

In short, decades of regulations and protocols were abandoned. Why?

I believe it was politics. DT was being blamed (unfairly) for the pandemic. DT wanted a political victory so he could claim he got the vaccine in record time, just before the election.

For all those who see the Covid vaccine as a deliberate assault on the world… why do you give DT a pass?

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Thank you for answering directly.

Pence was placed in charge of the Covid response by DT. That does not negate the fact DT pushed operation warp speed. It was his idea. DT pushed for protections to be side stepped. DT pushed for immunity for big pharma.

He told VP Pence “this is what I want done, go make it happen”. Pence did exactly that.

By saying DT didn’t want lock downs or mandates, you are saying DT is an ineffective leader. He can’t get what he wants done.

Additionally, he has not spoken out against children getting the vaccine. Children have near perfect immunity and yet, they are being experimented on with this vaccine.

Why will DT not come out against children being vaccinated? Because he is concerned with how he will look taking a stance against his vaccine. I don’t believe he cares about the children’s health, only his own image.

DT owns this vaccine, for better or worse. By pushing the blame to Pence, it is saying “the buck stops somewhere else, not DT”

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I do not doubt that is the sentiment among a lot of DT supporters. They see him as anti-establishment and there is truth to that.

It is also true that DT has embraced a lot of policies of the deep state, including out of control federal spending, protections for big pharma, “green agenda” ( in some cases), pro trans policies concerning use of rest rooms/locker rooms.

He has been unfairly attacked, his administration undermined from the inside and outside, unfairly prosecuted and criticized. People see him as being treated unfairly and a lot of people support him simply to show disapproval for the way he has been treated.

IMO, many see him as something he is not. He is NOT our only hope to stop the radical liberal agenda. He isn’t even our best hope. He might not be even in the top 5. AND, he might hurt more than he helps.

He owns the vaccine. It’s his. He continues to embrace it and not denounce the push to vaccinate children.

Surely some of his supporters will question his motives.

Thanks for the comments

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Well, I didn’t know that. What is your source? Most POTUS’s have blind trusts, I think.

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Ok, that’s a little over two years after he left office.

Im not really worried about that either, though it does demonstrate continued support for the vaccine and big pharma.

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This is my point. Many DT supporters are fervent anti-vax and yet they give him a complete pass on responsibility for the vax.

It was DT that initiated operation “Warp Speed” He initiated a change in the way vaccines are approved. Many safe guards within the approval process, in place for decades, were bypassed in favor of rapid approval. The Pharm companies were given immunity and billions of dollars to produce a vaccine in this “emergency” effort for approval.

I am not anti-vax. I think the vax is appropriate for at risk folks (elderly, preexisting conditions)

This is DT’s vaccine, for better or worse. I simply do not understand why anti-vax folks give DT a pass on responsibility.

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You should care.

His efforts were politically motivated. He was being blamed (unfairly) in the press for Covid deaths and not doing enough to stop the spread.

He took the same attitude toward producing a vaccine that he took to building the skating rink in NY: cut the red tape and do whatever is necessary to get it done in record time… meaning to produce that vaccine before 2020 election.

Any concern about harmful side effects or proper scientific process were secondary to getting that vax out before the election so he could take.credit.

He complained the pharm companies conspired to not release the vax until after the election to hurt him.

Not once has he spoken against the child vax mandates. Not once has he spoken out about the continuing deaths among otherwise healthy young people who suddenly develop heart problems or die within days or weeks of getting the vax.

Not once has he spoken out about the ineffectiveness of the vax to prevent reinfection or spread. Not once has he addressed the billions of tax payer money given to pharm companies regardless of the success (or not) of the vax and the immunity from lawsuits given to them. Even if deaths are attributed to the vax, they can never be held accountable. That, too, belongs to DT.

He wants credit for trying, and no blame for failure, which is no different from any lib and the policies they push.

Again, you should care.

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Right. That is what I said He approached producing the vaccine like he built the skating rink in NY. Cut the red tape. Get it done fast.

He removed the protocols in place for decades for research and production of a vaccine. He gave pharm companies immunity and tens of billions of tax payer dollars to produce a vaccine that many of his supports believe is ineffective (at best) and/or deadly to many people.

He has not spoken out against mandating the vac for children… why not??? Saying “I don’t care” doesn’t really help the kids.

Even if his supporters believe politics played no role in his decisions (mind reader?), they are still giving him a pass for “good intentions”.

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Has DT spoken out against vax mandates for children? Not that I have heard. Why not?

Imo, “Operation Warp Speed” was a political effort without question. DT wanted that vaccine before the 2020 election so he could take credit. He even accused the Pham companies of deliberately withholding the vaccine until after the election to hurt him.

Why would he make that claim if the effort wasn’t political?

He was in charge. He made the decision. The buck stops at DT’s feet for better or worse.

As far as saying “he hasn’t done anything that hasn’t been done prior”….

1. I don’t know if that is true, especially concerning vaccines

2. By saying that, you are simply admitting DT is just like all the other politicians that have done similar things in the past.

I really believe I understand.

DT is a symbol of rebellion against the corrupt establishment. It really doesn’t matter what he does or believes at this point. He is the one and only bandwagon to jump on to oppose the establishment and it’s corruption if the establishment is able to defeat him through misconduct, and blatant criminal activity, the foundations of the republic are threatened and many see no future beyond DT if he is loses again.

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