Don't Buy Pepsi

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

Maybe instead of believing man when he says a lie is not a lie and it is ok to drink alcoholic beverage you can choose obey the Word of God rather than man.

Do no lie.

Do not have experience with fermented beverage (Hebrew); abstain from wine (Greek).

 

[webdog]

NO, the Bible is true. and Greek and Hebrew commentators who have researched far more than I have agreed that wine in the Bible is either fermented or unfermented.

So they're liars too? I have yet to see any true Hebrew or Greek scholar agree with these "commentators".

 

[dan e.]

i love pepsi.

 

[Bible-boy]

NO, the Bible is true. and Greek and Hebrew commentators who have researched far more than I have agreed that wine in the Bible is either fermented or unfermented.

There's that Law of Non-contradiction thing rearing its ugly head again!:smilewinkgrin:

 

[StefanM]

Not all killing is murder.

Did David murder when he killed Goliath?

Did God murder when he struck down Ananias and Sapphira?

If you accidentally fall into someone and they hit their head and die, did you murder them?

If you are attacked, and in your attempt to defend yourself, you kill your attacker, did you murder the attacker?

Plenty of killings are not murders:

1) An accident is not murder.

2) Self-defense is not murder.

3) Defense of another being attacked is not murder.

4) Killing an enemy in wartime combat is not murder.

There may be other examples.

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

To murder someone is to take that person's life.
To kill someone is to take that person's life.

To kill is to murder
To murder is to kill

 

[Bible-boy]

To murder someone is to take that person's life.
To kill someone is to take that person's life.

To kill is to murder
To murder is to kill

You'd be wrong about those statements. Get a good Bible dictionary, a Strong's Concordance, a Hebrew and a Greek lexicon, and some good Bible commentaries, read what all these biblical scholars have to say about the difference between murder and kill and then come back and we'll talk.

 

[StefanM]

African elephants are gray.
Discolored hair is gray.
Therefore, discolored hair is an African Elephant.

 

[Bible-boy]

African elephants are gray.
Discolored hair is gray.
Therefore, discolored hair is an African Elephant.

Or, therefore, African Elephants are discolored hair.:tonofbricks:

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

You'd be wrong about those statements. Get a good Bible dictionary, a Strong's Concordance, a Hebrew and a Greek lexicon, and some good Bible commentaries, read what all these biblical scholars have to say about the difference between murder and kill and then come back and we'll talk.

xur ratsach raw-tsakh'
a primitive root; properly, to dash in pieces, i.e. kill (a human being), especially to murder:--put to death, kill, (man-)slay(-er), murder(-er).

Yep, Strongs seems to agree. Kill does mean murder. Thanks BibleBoy!

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

grh harag haw-rag'
a primitive root; to smite with deadly intent:--destroy, out of hand, kill, murder(-er), put to (death), make (slaughter), slay(-er), X surely.

Yep, Strongs seems to agree. Murder does mean kill. Thanks again, BibleBoy!

 

[saturneptune]

NO, the Bible is true. and Greek and Hebrew commentators who have researched far more than I have agreed that wine in the Bible is either fermented or unfermented.

That is correct. The Bible is true. Your opinion of it is not.

 

[Baptist Believer]

To murder someone is to take that person's life.
To kill someone is to take that person's life.

Let's use your logic:

To rape is to have sexual relations with someone.
To consumate a marriage is to have sexual relations with someone.

Consumation of marriage = rape

To kill is to murder
To murder is to kill

Do you honestly think that nearly everyone who stormed (and defended) the Omaha beaches on June 6, 1944 were murderers?

Do you think the police in your town are murderers when they have to use lethal force?

And God has killed many people over the millenia, does that make God a murderer?

Of course not.

You might think you are defending "the biblical position (tm)", but you're actually holding to a non-biblical position.

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

Not according to Strongs definitions of murder and kill. As I showed earlier, The Hebrew for kill can be translated 'murder or kill'. The Hebrew for murder can be translated 'kill or murder'.

 

[Baptist Believer]

Yep, Strongs seems to agree. Murder does mean kill.

The meaning of Hebrew words is determined by context. That's the nature of the language. It was a spoken language before it was a written one, so it lacks the precision of a language like Greek. In fact, written Hebrew doesn't even record the vowels, only the consonents. The way you tell the difference between words is through context. Between 700-1100 A.D., the Masoretes developed vowel points to assist the readers of their day because they were not very familiar with the vast Hebrew lexicon and did not always know what the alternative possibilities for a set of Hebrew consonants might be.

While the word can mean "murder", the context determines whether it means "murder" or "kill". So you can't simply pull out a lexicon or the Strong's and proclaim the definitive meaning of a word out of its context. And the fact that the same word can be used for "murder" or "kill" does not mean that the meaning is the same.

 

[Bible-boy]

Yep, Strongs seems to agree. Murder does mean kill. Thanks again, BibleBoy!

And what do the other reference resources I suggested have to say? To select one that seems to support your presupposition and ignore the others is just like proof-texting from the Bible to do the same thing. Likewise, you only post part of what Strong's has to say. Point number 4 under the definition of Kill #7523 says, "The Old Testament recognizes the distinction between premeditated murder and unintentional killing. (4a) In order to ensure the rights of the unintentional manslayer; who unintentionally killed someone, the law provided for three cities of refuge..."

Please use a little interlectual honesty when makng your arguments.

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

In 9 verses in the Old Testament the word 'murder' is found. In the definition of the word 'murder' in all 9 verses, both 'murder' and 'kill' are found.

In at least one, if not all of these 9 verses the word 'murder' must mean 'kill' else the definition 'kill' would not have been included in the definitions.

Murder means kill whether one accepts it or not.

Kill means murder as well.

 

[Baptist Believer]

In 9 verses in the Old Testament the word 'murder' is found.

Actually, there's 10 verses in the KJV translation.

In the definition of the word 'murder' in all 9 verses, both 'murder' and 'kill' are found.

Yes.

In at least one, if not all of these 9 verses the word 'murder' must mean 'kill' else the definition 'kill' would not have been included in the definitions.

No.

You've made the false assumption that Augustus Strong only included the meanings of the words that directly relate to the biblical text instead of the broader meaning of the word. He's giving you more than just the specific meaning of the word in context, he's fleshing out the related meanings for you. While killing and murdering have some things in common (the taking of a life), they are not identical.

Murder means kill whether one accepts it or not.

Murder involves killing, but there is a difference of intent.

Kill means murder as well.

Only if you ignore the historical, legal and contemporary meaning of the words. In any normal discussion, court of law, or theological context there is a difference.

 

[mcdirector]

Honestly I don't drink Pepsi or Coke since I don't drink soft drinks.

Same here Bro. Martin. I think we are in the minority!

 

[Bro. Curtis]

[clears throat] AHEM!!!!!

Pepsi and Coca-Cola are both very useful in removing salt spray rust from deckplates.

Soda is just awful for you, I don't see how anyone could drink it.