Dr. Fauci and the development of COVID-19

[rlvaughn]

I mentioned this in another thread, and was asked to call attention to it in its own thread.

Before answering a question (other than the initial “No”), Dr. Fauci takes some time to complain about Rand Paul suggesting that our U.S. collaboration at the Wuhan lab makes us have some responsibility. (Paul had questioned him about this in a Congressional hearing. Fauci had already discussed that, but couldn’t help come back to it.) Then he gives a fuller answer. Dr. Fauci does not positively say it did not develop naturally. However, he does say he doesn’t know that it didn’t start in the lab and that it should be investigated.

Notice the question and answer starting at about 12:00 minutes in this video.

Katie Sanders, PolitiFact: “There’s a lot of cloudiness around the origins of COVID-19 still, so I wanted to ask, are you still confident that it developed naturally?”

Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergies and Infectious Diseases: “No, I am not convinced about that, I think we should continue to investigate what went on in China until we continue to find out to the best of our ability what happened.”

 

[Van]

The nice thing about biological warfare is you cannot be certain the weapon did not arise naturally. Thus millions can be murdered with impunity because we cannot be certain it was murder. Even if we conclude the weapon was developed in a lab, we are not sure it did not "escape" accidentally.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

If Fauci says he doesn’t know that it didn’t, then it almost certainly did. That’s how trustworthy Fauci is.

When he starts being critical of the Communist Chinese for causing COVID-19 to become a pandemic, for covering up what they knew at the beginning, for covering up now and refusing to allow investigation, then Fauci might gain some trust.

 

[SGO]

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[777]

I never really bought the infected bat theory, said so right here, just to hear the lefties wonder why I would think such a thing. They were getting their info from "Dr, Fauci". who is an expert on anything corona. just ask him.

Still even wonder if this lab didn't create and release this deliberately but I sure hope not and want to think Fauci was protecting them because even he knows never to bite the hand that feeds him.

 

[rlvaughn]

Three researchers from China’s Wuhan Institute of Virology became sick enough in November 2019 that they sought hospital care, according to a previously undisclosed U.S. intelligence report that could add weight to growing calls for a fuller probe of whether the Covid-19 virus may have escaped from the laboratory.

Intelligence on Sick Staff at Wuhan Lab Fuels Debate on Covid-19 Origin

 

[Gold Dragon]

I mentioned this in another thread, and was asked to call attention to it in its own thread.

Before answering a question (other than the initial “No”), Dr. Fauci takes some time to complain about Rand Paul suggesting that our U.S. collaboration at the Wuhan lab makes us have some responsibility. (Paul had questioned him about this in a Congressional hearing. Fauci had already discussed that, but couldn’t help come back to it.) Then he gives a fuller answer. Dr. Fauci does not positively say it did not develop naturally. However, he does say he doesn’t know that it didn’t start in the lab and that it should be investigated.

Notice the question and answer starting at about 12:00 minutes in this video.

Katie Sanders, PolitiFact: “There’s a lot of cloudiness around the origins of COVID-19 still, so I wanted to ask, are you still confident that it developed naturally?”

Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergies and Infectious Diseases: “No, I am not convinced about that, I think we should continue to investigate what went on in China until we continue to find out to the best of our ability what happened.”

Here is the transcript of the interview and here is his response.

PolitiFact - Transcript: What Dr. Fauci told PolitiFact

PolitiFact: That has been the subject of a lot of our fact checking on the coronavirus for the past year. And like you said, there's a lot of cloudiness around the origins of COVID-19 still. So I wanted to ask, are you still confident that it developed naturally?

Fauci: No, actually, that's the point that I said. And I think the real unfortunate aspect of what Sen. Paul did is he was conflating research in a collaborative way with Chinese scientists, which was, you know, you'd almost have to say, if we did not do that we would almost be irresponsible because SARS-CoV-1 clearly originated in China, and we were fortunate to escape a major pandemic. So we really had to learn a lot more about the viruses that were there, about whether or not people were getting infected with bad viruses. So in a very minor collaboration as part of a subcontract of a grant, we had a collaboration with some Chinese scientists. And what he conflated is that therefore we were involved in creating the virus which is the most ridiculous majestic leap I've ever heard of. But no, I'm not convinced about that. I think that we should continue to investigate what went on in China until we find out to the best of our ability exactly what happened. Certainly the people who've investigated say it likely was the emergence from an animal reservoir that then infected individuals, but it could have been something else. And we need to find that out. So, you know, that's the reason why I said I'm perfectly in favor of any investigation that looks into the origin of the virus.

I would agree with him. All the evidence suggests it was from an animal source but like any good scientist, we cannot close off other hypotheses with incomplete data even if they are highly unlikely. And absolutely it should be investigated more as this pandemic is likely not going to be the last one and we need more information to figure how to avoid, prevent and minimize the next one.

Part of that will be funding research like that done by the EcoHealth Alliance whose funding was cut off when Trump cut off funding to the Wuhan institute of Virology based on conspiracy theories.

Coronavirus researcher shut down for Wuhan-lab links vents frustrations

The US National Institutes of Health (NIH) has reinstated a research organization’s multimillion-dollar grant to study how coronaviruses move from bats to people — which it cancelled in a controversial move earlier this year. But as Peter Daszak, the head of the small non-profit organization — EcoHealth Alliance in New York City — found out in early July, the funding can’t be used unless the organization meets what he says are absurd conditions. The demands, detailed in a letter from the NIH, are politically motivated, he says.

To carry out its research, EcoHealth Alliance partners with the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) in China, which has been at the centre of unfounded rumours that the COVID-19 pandemic was caused by a coronavirus released from its laboratory. The NIH cancelled EcoHealth Alliance’s grant in April, days after US President Donald Trump told a reporter that the United States would stop funding work at the WIV.

EcoHealth Alliance and Daszak have been working with Shi Zhengli, a virologist at the WIV, for more than 15 years. Since 2014, an NIH grant has funded EcoHealth’s research in China, which involves collecting faeces and other samples from bats, and blood samples from people at risk of infection from bat-origin viruses. Scientific studies suggest that the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus most likely originated in bats, and research on the topic could be crucial to identifying other viruses that might cause future pandemics. The WIV is a subrecipient on the grant.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

... Part of that will be funding research like that done by the EcoHealth Alliance whose funding was cut off when Trump cut off funding to the Wuhan institute of Virology based on conspiracy theories.
Coronavirus researcher shut down for Wuhan-lab links vents frustrations

Conspiracy "theory"? As in the Communist Chinese covering up the impending spread leading to a pandemic, then refusing to allow anyone to investigate what happened? That's not a theory. It's known fact.

Stop with the gaslighting. Any bona fide investigation would have to be overseen and conducted by those who were not complicit in the matter or tied to those who were.

But let's talk about heinous, starting with how well EcoHealth did in preventing this pandemic.

 

[Gold Dragon]

Conspiracy "theory"? As in the Communist Chinese covering up the impending spread leading to a pandemic, then refusing to allow anyone to investigate what happened? That's not a theory. It's known fact.

China should absolutely be criticized for covering up the spread initially and preventing investigation. I said as much back in April 2020.

The WIV laboratory development and leak of covid19 is absolutely a conspiracy theory with no concrete evidence to back it up other than rumour and innuendo. That doesn't mean it didn't happen that way so we can't say with absolute certainty that it didn't (and are unlikely to ever be able to say that) but an independent investigation can help us get more clarity on that question but more importantly help us prevent the next pandemic.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

China should absolutely be criticized for covering up the spread initially and preventing investigation. I said as much back in April 2020.

The WIV laboratory development and leak of covid19 is absolutely a conspiracy theory with no concrete evidence to back it up other than rumour and innuendo. That doesn't mean it didn't happen that way so we can't say with absolute certainty that it didn't (and are unlikely to ever be able to say that) but an independent investigation can help us get more clarity on that question but more importantly help us prevent the next pandemic.

That's good as far as it goes, but does not yet admit the truth. The conspiracy was the silence and cover up, and based on that alone the shutdown was legitimate. It was not based on mere theory.

Chances of ever getting at the truth now are slim to none, short of overthrowing the Communist regime in China, and no one is expecting that anytime soon. It's more likely to spread, here and there.

 

[777]

China should certainly be criticized for sure, but the left and the RINOs in the USA sure don't want to do that for some reason.

A "conspiracy theory" isn't just some fact that hasn't been proven yet. If that were the case, the bat theory would also qualify as a conspiracy theory. China is a hateful country that steals, cheats and lies shamelessly/ I have wondered if they didn't steal this virus from an American or Canadian lab and then made it back there, another "conspiracy theory". In any event, they should be criticized hard for letting Wuhan citizens go all across the world but not within China. It's like they wanted to spread the thing globally or something . . .

 

[rlvaughn]

Another tune change.

British intelligence agencies now believe it is “feasible” that the global pandemic began with a coronavirus leak from a Chinese research laboratory.
In a significant sharpening of tension with Beijing, they are investigating a possible leak from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, which Beijing angrily insists was not the source of the virus that has caused more than 3.5 million deaths and is still raging globally.

Covid: Wuhan lab leak is ‘feasible’, say British spies

 

[percho]

Tucker: Fauci Deserves To Be Under 'Criminal Investigation' (bitchute.com)

 

[percho]

For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

 

[percho]

Y'all talking about the movie, CT? I love that movie One of MG's best.