The Bible says that salvation is a free gift. Therefore, it must be something that can be received for free. And you cannot get it for free if you are trying to earn it. So, how do you get it? By believing John 3:16. If you read that verse, and believe it, how can you be lost? Otherwise, you have to start asking yourself how much you have to know about Christ to be saved. You might as well say that the warning in Revelation 22:18-19 says that understanding and believing the whole Bible is the way to Heaven.
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Easy Believeism and Free Grace and are same thing, and the truth
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37818
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Yes.
Something else. A closed canon and a finality of revelation given to us believers in Christ.
Alan Gross
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King James Bible
"So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy."
The lost soul must know they are a lawbreaker and can not merit or deserve anything but The Wrath of God.
That Wrath was Poured Out on Jesus.
What the sinner must "know" is to Take Their Place as a Condemned sinner by The Holy Moral Lawgiver of The Universe.
When The Wrath of God was Poured Out on Jesus, was it THEIR sin that Placed Him there? Did they and do they deserve the punishment Jesus Suffered.
Are they (Made) willing to Turn from their sins and Do they BELIEVE that when God Gave His Son to DIE that Jesus died for them, personally, FOR THEIR SIN?
Not, "Smile America, God Loves you", because GOD HATES SIN.
Sin Placed His Son on the cross and is the issue in the soul of the lost sinner.
Sin.
He was made to be sin, He Who knew no sin that we might be made the righteousness of God, IN HIM.
There is none good, no not one.
"Of his own will he brought us forth by the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures." James 1:18
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You are guilty of the question begging fallacy. Can you support the premise of your question with more clarity?
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There is no scripture you can possibly provide to support your unbiblical assertion. Every scripture you distort to support your unbiblical assertion, when it is thus distorted, blantly, outright, and directly, altogether contradicts all scripture that actually deal with how to receive eternal life.
37818
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Matthew 11:27-30, ". . . All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him. Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light. . . ."
So if you have to feel godly sorrow for your sins in order to be saved from Hell, then does that mean you have to live righteously to enter Heaven? because I have no problem acknowledging I'm a sinner, but not only do I have trouble experiencing strong emotions, I can't live according to the standard God requires. Isn't that the whole reason why Christ died? Obviously, if you're believing in Christ for eternal life from John 3:16, you know you're in danger of perishing. You're telling me you can't be saved just by believing that one verse? Then what commentary, -- I will never read a Calvinistic one -- do you recommend?
Alan Gross
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It is not God who is leading you in this direction.
No one can, brother. If you're trying to live according to the Sermon on the Mount...:
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. Mt 5
... bear in mind that it is an exposition of the law given by the Author of the law addressed to the recipients of the law showing the spiritualty of the law and thank God it's demands of perfection have been met...:
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Heb 10
...and be grateful as Paul was, recognizing the conflict within that all His saints experience:
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. Ro 7
Alan Gross
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Every scripture does, without exception.
rather:
"Every scripture you distort to support your unbiblical assertion when it is thus distorted, blatantly, outright, and directly, altogether contradicts all scripture that actually deals with how" to go to Hell, believing another Gospel.
There is One Way of Salvation.
Any time, "believe", "trust", "choose", "decide", etc. may be mentioned or used by men, Conviction of sin through the Preaching of The Word of God and Repentance and Faith being Given by God, are IMPLIED, because they are what the Bible Teaches, as to HOW A SOUL IS SAVED.
There are hundreds of "churches" with numerious False Gospels.
I am contending for The Faith once delivered to the saints.
Galatians 1:6 King James Bible
I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Salvation is 100% OF GOD and 10% man/ 90% God, or 50% man/ 50% God, are False Gospels.
If you have never seen, "The Gospel", it is this: 1 Corinthians 15:1-4
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
II Corinthians 11:1-4;
1 Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me.
2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
When there is a "Crown of Boasting" to wear, the sinner is yet in their sins.
No different that a dry sinner being "baptized", without Conversion, becomes a wet sinner.
Do you believe you are going to Heaven because you treat others well and have done unto others as you would have done to yourself, or believe, "God Loves Everyone"? you have a Christian home, you were "baptized", or you gave $5 bucks when they passed the plate?
Can you believe the verse you quoted?
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Alan Gross
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"False-Righteousness" before Conversion is another gospel.
The "whosoever believeth", in John 3:16, are "wrought of God", as the passage states.
John 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
The Falselogy advocates systemically post vague verses and then claim they mean something they have read into the text.
Lets consider what John 3:21 actually says: "Yet the one doing the truth comes toward the light, in order that it may be clearly seen that the acts of the one are accomplished according to God.
Do you see any support for total spiritual inability before conversion in this verse? Neither do I.
Thus they take the vague phrase "wrought in God" to mean "done by God" when it actually means the acts are accomplished according to God meaning according to what God wants done.
Alan Gross
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This verse demonstrates Mr. Gross is grossly wrong.
Mat 10:37 Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
Mat 10:38 And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.
Mat 7:17 So, R13 every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit.
The problem with easy believes is that it it allows for a mental assent to God, loves the gift of God, but wants nothing to do with the giver. Its fire insurance for those who want to continue to live a life without God.
Mat 10:38 And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.
Mat 7:17 So, R13 every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit.
The problem with easy believes is that it it allows for a mental assent to God, loves the gift of God, but wants nothing to do with the giver. Its fire insurance for those who want to continue to live a life without God.
Alan Gross
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The denial of Adamic Nature, which is evidence of Adamic Nature, is the denial of the gross sin of Adamic Nature, rendering the lost sinner Spiritually dead.
THAT is the issue.
God ACTS upon dead sinners or no one would escape Hell, Forever.
Once again the Falseolgy crowd posts outrageous falsehoods. Did I deny our fallen nature? Nope.
Did I deny God saves individuals who are dead in their sins? Nope.
On and on, one false claim after another by those hiding truth.
The Falselogy advocates systemically post vague verses and then claim they mean something they have read into the text.
Lets consider what John 3:21 actually says: "Yet the one doing the truth comes toward the light, in order that it may be clearly seen that the acts of the one are accomplished according to God.
Do you see any support for total spiritual inability before conversion in this verse? Neither do I.
Thus they take the vague phrase "wrought in God" to mean "done by God" when it actually means the acts are accomplished according to God meaning according to what God wants done.
I don't know how to address the first verse but I'll research the answer.
A prophet is known to be a true prophet if his prophecies come to pass, and a false prophet his prophecies do not come to pass. That agrees with the Old Testament.