Featured Election In Action

There are those on here who say that the doctrine of Election is a Calvanist Doctrine that goes under the heading of Unconditional Election. Will I convince anyone by scriptures who does not believe in Election that it is a Bibical and not a Calvanist one. For the record I am not of the Calvanistic brethren even though I belief in TULIP!... So where do we go to see Election In Action? The only place where we can see there is no human intervention. There is no preacher to preach the word of God that those hearing might believe. There is no altar call. There is no baptism. The is no human intervention at all. If you can tell me why what one man did and the other one didn't I and others of our belief in The Doctrine of Election want to know. We all want to know the truth. See Election action. Brethren... TO THE CROSS!. Matthew 27:38 Then there were two thieves crucified with him, one on the right hand, the other on the left. 39: And they that passed by reviled him., wagging their heads. 40: And saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross. 41: Likewise also the chief priests mocking him, with the scribes and elders , said, 42: He saved others; himself he cannot save. If he be the King of Israel, let him come down from the cross, and we will believe him. 43: He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said I am the Son of God. 44: The thieves also, which were crucified with him, cast the same in his teeth. Keep this scripture in mind John 6:37 because a change is about to happen without the intervention of man. Luke 23:39 And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him saying, if thou be the Christ, save thyself and us. According to Matthew they both did the same thing. Here comes the change according to John 6:37. 40: But the other answering him rebuked him saying, Dost thou not fear God seeing thou art in the same condemnation? 41: And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man has done nothing amiss. Brethren Oh how I love this part Election In Action. 42: And he said unto Jesus, Lord remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. 43: and Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise. Now my question to those who do not believe in Election is this, seeing there was no intervention to save the one. If God loves everybody equally and there is no election why did not God convert the other this why wasn't he also given a chance to go to paradise. Was it not according to John 6:37 that the other thief did not belong to Jesus? So you brethren who do not believe in Election explain it plainly to those of us who do. To me the doctrine of Election is crystal clear and Gods revealed truth.

 

So you are saying some how Jesus influenced his decision? And therefore coming to Jesus is a decision thing? I am going to paradise because of a decision I made. Just as the one thief did and other didn't. I made a choice ergo by the choice I made puts election in action. Therefore my Salvation is in my hands? Sorry I cannot believe what I see election taught in the scriptures to say

 

We can all speculate can't we. The scriptures doesn't say and is silent. We can only say what the scriptures say. One would think according to human understanding that something would have been said if that occurred. I believe the Bible is the inspired Word Of God and take it by faith that it is true. Since neither one of us were there we can only go by what has been handed and penned down. I always say according to the way I understand scripture... II Timothy 2:7 Consider what I say... And this is the most important part, And the Lord give thee understanding in all thing.

 

I have a question did the Father give the thief to Christ by regeneration on the cross or did the thief come some other way? A thief regenerated
at the point of death... Now there is a topic. WOW!... He never lost one!

 

One question... Well actually 5... What five points of doctrine is that?

Which came first to the thief the realization that he was a sinner or that Jesus was God?

 

Two questions and I'll know where you stand? I know the scriptures teach Election... Its not the doctrine that is in question but the application of it. How do you personally understand Election? Do you see election at the cross?

 

Well the Apostle Paul sure understood didn't he... I Timothy 1:15 This is a faithful saying worthy of all acceptation, that Jesus Christ came into the world to save sinners of whom I am chief. How sinful did Paul see himself to be... Oh wretched man that I am who shall deliver me from the body of this death. When I understand more fully my sinful nature that allows me to see greater Jesus Christ saving grace.