electronic surveillance

Is anyone afraid of electronic surveillance being used against terrorists? The issue has always been it being used against ourselves.

I suppose aggressive driving could be considered a form of apolitical terrorism - this might help, but the "victim" would have to drive sensibly and not participate....could be a good thing!

 

I think you've misunderstood the issue - the outcry has been against warrantless monitoring communications of US citizens. The loopholes are "afflilates" and "suspects".

For instance, suppose my husband calls his parents' house to check on them (his father has had a series of strokes and his mother has schizophrenia) and speaks to the caretaker - but, unbeknownst to Mr. Daisy, the caretaker's wife's uncle by marriage has participated in demonstrations against Israel's devastation of Lebannon. Does that make me a suspect? If no warrant is required, they might just say, "Sure, why not?"

We happen to be on the mailing list for some mosque - maybe because of Mr. Daisy's last name, maybe someone he knows signed him up to inflate the membership roles - we don't know, but we get solicitations from them every few months. We've never seen the mosque, never contributed, but is being on the mailing list enough to make us "affiliates" or "suspects" should any nefarious activity take place there (I've no reason to think that any has or will be)? If I call my nephew, will he and his friends now be on the listen list? If no warrant is required, they might just say, "Sure, why not?"

Which congressional Democrats have said that it's not? Do you have a reference I could look at?

It's possible.

 

Not to mention, the Bush administration IS looking at all of our call records (date, time, duration, number called from, number dialed).

And the lie continutes to be told that people are against surveillance of calls. WRONG! People are against doing so without warrants. Big difference.

 

It's not the government that is doing the monitoring and you can probably disable the black box if you know how.

We're not even members, we receive mailings. Besides, I have no reason to think that the mosque is anything but a mosque and, so far, there is still freedom of religion - not only Christian religions - in the US, so to use that against us would be downright un-American. Which is one of the things being decried.

 

Are you calling me unpatriotic because I think the US laws should be followed by our own government?

How do you know? There are some who are quite clever in electronics.

Huh? Moslems are bugging US cars now? What is it that the automakers are monitoring other than speed, distance and how well the car is functioning?

You've been corrected often enough on this point so that your mistatement of my view has crossed the border from mistake to knowing lie.

What I admitted was that a dear cousin came thisclose to losing her husband in an atrocity. He didn't stay home, he was merely late. His officemates, some of whom were also Moslem, were killed. That you would twist this only reveals your character and way of thinking.

 

I am. Being on a mosque's mailing list is not a crime. Being a Moslem is not a crime, capisce? If I were surveilled on suspicion of being a Moslem, that would be religious discrimination, even though the suspicion is ill-founded.

They do not worship in the name of satan. Allah means "the God" in Arabic. Christians and Jews who speak Arabic refer to "God" as "Allah" (linkie). Moslems consider Allah to be the same God as the God of Abraham and that they are descended from Abraham by way of Ishmael.

Who do you consider "our ancestors" to be?

 

Allah is a false and murderous god represented by a false and murderous prophet and has nothing at all to do with the Father, Son and Holy Ghost that we worship.

All muslims are doomed to spend eternity apart from the one true God unless they repent and accept Jesus as their savior.

 

That's not how they see it. Allah is derived from the God of the Bible historically, culturally, heresitically.

That's not different from Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Taoists, Confucians, Zarathusrians, etc. They are not a special kind of evil.

 

They see it wrong.

What makes them especially evil is they are the only ones out of the groups named that are busily trying kill anyone that does not worship as they do.

 

Once more, you are mistaken. In the Koran, Jesus is considered to be a prophet of God, one of the holy men.

You continually mischaracterize my beliefs. Why?