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Epoch Times

Salty

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The other day, in my mail, i found a free copy of "The Epoch Times"
Has anyone else received a copy?

Has anyone subscribe to the news paper?

If so, your thoughts about this paper
 

Wingman68

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The best. Delivered weekly. Better than any Sunday paper ever was. Articles of interest & information in every section. Subscription includes online as well. They are respectful of your privacy, no junk in your inbox.
 

Bible Thumpin n Gun Totin

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I've read a few of their articles. I'd call them a center-right newspaper, a little more right than the Wall Street Journal used to be. Typically well written.
 

Wingman68

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I've read a few of their articles. I'd call them a center-right newspaper, a little more right than the Wall Street Journal used to be. Typically well written.
I’m suspicious of all media, & the ET has some regular contributors that are on the wrong side of my views, but overall their content examines all issues that you won’t find in any other media outlet. The originators were communist escapees, & are anti-communist, which is why they are denigrated by the lying left.
 

JonC

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Is this the Falun Gong cult thing?

I know they have a "far right" paper (viewed Trump as a messiah to defeat communism in China) but I'm not sure if it is Epoch Times.
 

Wingman68

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Is this the Falun Gong cult thing?

I know they have a "far right" paper (viewed Trump as a messiah to defeat communism in China) but I'm not sure if it is Epoch Times.

Even Wiki doesn’t refer to them as a cult………but Jon does.



Falun Gong
en.falundafa.org
Falun Gong or Falun Dafa is a new religious movement. Falun Gong was founded by its leader Li Hongzhi in China in the early 1990s. Falun Gong has its global headquarters in Dragon Springs, a 427-acre compound in Deerpark, New York, near the residence of Li Hongzhi. Falun Gong administers a variety of outreach organizations in the United States and elsewhere, including the dance troupe Shen Yun and far-right newspaper The Epoch Times. They are known for their views against the Chinese Communist Party and their anti-evolutionary stance. They also operate Epoch Media Group, which is known for its subsidiaries, New Tang Dynasty Television and The Epoch Times.Wikipedia
 

JonC

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Even Wiki doesn’t refer to them as a cult………but Jon does.


Falun Gong
en.falundafa.org
Falun Gong or Falun Dafa is a new religious movement. Falun Gong was founded by its leader Li Hongzhi in China in the early 1990s. Falun Gong has its global headquarters in Dragon Springs, a 427-acre compound in Deerpark, New York, near the residence of Li Hongzhi. Falun Gong administers a variety of outreach organizations in the United States and elsewhere, including the dance troupe Shen Yun and far-right newspaper The Epoch Times. They are known for their views against the Chinese Communist Party and their anti-evolutionary stance. They also operate Epoch Media Group, which is known for its subsidiaries, New Tang Dynasty Television and The Epoch Times.Wikipedia
Yes. I refer to Falun Gong as a cult.

I am not surprised thar Wikipedia does not refer to Falun Gong as a cult (they don't refer to Mormonism as a cult either....but JonC does).

From a Falun Gong site about its religion:

"Falun Gong, also known as Falun Dafa, is a spiritual practice in the Buddhist tradition that espouses the core tenets of truthfulness, compassion, and tolerance."

"Confucianism instructs how to navigate relationships according to “the Way,” espousing principles such as righteousness, piety, and tolerance."

"Ancient Chinese schools of thought emphasized that seeking ‘harmony between heaven, nature and men’ can bring stability and prosperity to society. Similarly, for a person on a spiritual path, aligning with the guiding principles of the universe (the Tao, or the Way), and assimilating to its qualities, can bring greater mental and physical health, blessings and different levels of spiritual awakening."

Ancient Roots, Almost Lost - Falun Dafa Information Center

I believe that these new age movements based on the spiritual practice in the Buddhist tradition (there are many) are in fact cults.

@Wingman68 does not believe Falun Gong a cult. This is a problem throughout our faith. Churches let in the enemy, offering "another way", because it is popular or they view it is benign.

But the type of "spiritual awakening" sought by aligning with the guiding principles of the universe (the Tao, or the Way) in Falun Gong is NOT compatible with Christianity.


I assume from @Wingman68 's defence of Falun Gong that the Epoch Times is the cults publication.
 

JonC

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From @Wingman68 's Wikipedia link:

Falun Gong aspires to enable the practitioner to ascend spiritually through moral rectitude and the practice of a set of exercises and meditation. The three stated tenets of the belief are truthfulness (Chinese: 真; pinyin: Zhēn), compassion (Chinese: 善; pinyin: Shàn), and forbearance (Chinese: 忍; pinyin: Rěn).[34] These principles have been repeated by Falun Gong members to outsiders as a tactic for evading deeper inquiry, and followers have been instructed by Li to lie about the practice.[35]: 6 [36] Together these principles are regarded as the fundamental nature of the cosmos, the criteria for differentiating right from wrong, and are held to be the highest manifestations of the Tao.[37][38][39] Adherence to and cultivation of these virtues is regarded as a fundamental part of Falun Gong practice.[40] In Zhuan Falun (转法轮), the foundational text published in 1995, Li Hongzhi writes "It doesn't matter how mankind's moral standard changes [...] The nature of the cosmos doesn't change, and it is the only standard for determining who's good and who's bad. So to be a cultivator you have to take the nature of the cosmos as your guide for improving yourself."[citation needed]

Practice of Falun Gong consists of two features: performance of the exercises, and the refinement of one's xinxing (moral character, temperament). In Falun Gong's central text, Li states that xinxing "includes virtue (which is a type of matter), it includes forbearance, it includes awakening to things, it includes giving up things—giving up all the desires and all the attachments that are found in an ordinary person—and you also have to endure hardship, to name just a few things."[41] The elevation of one's moral character is achieved, on the one hand, by aligning one's life with truth, compassion, and tolerance; and on the other, by abandoning desires and "negative thoughts and behaviors, such as greed, profit, lust, desire, killing, fighting, theft, robbery, deception, jealousy, etc."[42]


Falun Gong IS a cult.
 

Wingman68

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Does anyone here believe that contributing writers are members of Jon’s cult? Yeah………no.
 

JonC

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Does anyone here believe that contributing writers are members of Jon’s cult? Yeah………no.
I never said anything about any writers.

I said that Falun Gong is a cult. You offered criticism for my statement.

I don't know who writes for the organization.

For me, I will not subscribe to Falun Gong publications. I will also not read The Watchtower or the Mormon Times.

Even Wiki doesn’t refer to them as a cult………but Jon does.
Yes. I do.


Epoch Times Articles:

Falun Gong Founder Mr. Li Hongzhi Publishes 'How Humankind Came To Be'

Trump Admin Officials Express Concern Over China’s Forced Organ Harvesting From Falun Gong Adherents

'Faith Through Difficult Times': Falun Gong Practitioner Tells His Story to Raise Awareness of the Dangers of Communism

Falun Gong - The Epoch Times

New York Man Arrested for Assaulting Falun Gong Adherent

Photo Gallery: Falun Gong Practitioners March in DC Calling for End to 22-Year-Long Persecution in China

Time for Canada and the World to Address Beijing’s Crimes Against Falun Gong, Panel Hears

On Human Rights Day, US Government Sanctions Persecutor of Falun Gong

Holocaust Parallels Reflect Gravity of Falun Gong Persecution in China, Panel Hears

20,000 Signatures: Petitioners Call on Immigration Minister to Bar Entry to Human Rights Abusers of Falun Gong in China

Rally at LA's Chinese Consulate Calls for End to Renewed Falun Gong Persecution

Falun Gong Materials Vandalized at Various Sites in Hong Kong

Leaked Government Documents Reveal How Chinese Regime Closely Monitors Falun Gong Adherents

Australian MP Demands ABC Board Investigate 'Xenophobic Attack' the ABC Aired on Falun Gong

Scheer, Kenney, and 63 Canadian Parliamentarians Mark 21 Years of Persecution of Falun Gong as Calls to End Campaign Mount

How the Chinese Regime Weaponized an Entire Society to ‘Eradicate’ Falun Gong

Falun Gong Community Protests Outside ABC Headquarters Ahead of Scheduled Reports

ABC Allegedly Breaches Own Code of Practice in Reports: Falun Gong Spokesperson

Beijing’s 'Gestapo' Leverages ABC Report in Propaganda Campaign Against Falun Gong

'Unbelievable Brutal Persecution': Canadian Parliamentarians Call for Action to End Falun Gong Persecution

US Calls on Chinese Regime to End Persecution of Falun Gong

'Pervasive and Aggressive': How the Chinese Regime Has Extended Its Persecution of Falun Gong Into Canada for 21 Years

Australian Lawmakers Join 600+ from 30 Countries Calling For End to Chinese Regime's Persecution of Falun Gong

Over 600 Lawmakers From 30 Countries Ask Beijing to ‘Immediately Stop’ Falun Gong Persecution

Followers of a meditation practice banned in China expose 21-year torture (photos)

As Family Members Suffer in Chinese Prisons, Canadian Falun Gong Adherents Mark Grim Anniversary of Persecution Launch

At Least 27 Falun Gong Adherents Died of Persecution in First Half of 2020

Media Outlets in Argentina Offered Money to Run Articles Defaming Falun Gong
 

JonC

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More Epoch Times Atricles:

Despite the Epidemic, Chinese Regime Organizations Continue to Persecute Falun Gong

Beijing Is ‘Following the Anti-Falun Gong Playbook’ in Uyghur Crackdown, Says Expert

Falun Gong’s Peaceful Resistance to 20 Years of Persecution: A Testament to the Human Conscience

Falun Gong Adherents Urge Ottawa to Call for Release of Canadian and Family Members of Canadians Detained in China

Toronto Falun Gong Adherents Urge Trudeau to Call for End to Persecution of Adherents in China at Summit for Democracy

Toronto Falun Gong Adherents Urge Trudeau to Call for End to Persecution of Adherents in China at Summit for Democracy

China’s Gestapo-Like Office Sought to ‘Eradicate’ Falun Gong Spiritual Group Worldwide, Report Says

Persecution of Falun Gong Continues While CCP Tightens Control on PLAC: Leaked Documents

US Should Get Tougher on China’s Attacks Against Falun Gong

Infographic: Beijing’s 22-Year-Long Persecution of Falun Gong

Recognize CCP's Persecution of Falun Gong as a Genocide: DC Rally Marks 22 Years of Suppression

US Sanctions Chinese Official for Persecuting Falun Gong

Five Falun Gong Practitioners Persecuted to Death in China's Jails

Beijing-Linked Group Continues to Target Falun Gong in Hong Kong

Chinese Regime Raids More Than 1,000 Falun Gong Practitioners in January, Ahead of Chinese New Year

People With Suspected Ties to Beijing Vandalize Falun Gong Adherents’ Booths in Hong Kong

‘Absolutely Unacceptable’: O’Toole, MPs, Condemn Beijing's Persecution of Falun Gong Adherents

Over 900 Current and Former Lawmakers Worldwide Rebuke Beijing for Persecuting Falun Gong

US Sanctions Chinese Official Over Role in Persecuting Spiritual Practice Falun Gong

CCP Targets Australian Politician After He Speaks Up for Falun Gong

China Forcibly Collects Blood From Falun Gong Practitioners, Raising Concerns About Organ Harvesting

An Unjust Law Is No Law at All: End 21-Year Persecution of Falun Gong
 

JonC

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More Epoc Times Articles (anybody seeing an agenda in @Wingman68 's paper yet?)

Over 5,300 Chinese Falun Gong Practitioners Detained, Harassed in the First Half of 2020: Report

US Lawmakers Decry Beijing's 21-Year-Long 'Unforgiving' Persecution of Falun Gong

Canada Urged to Use Magnitsky Sanctions on Chinese Officials Who Have Persecuted Falun Gong

Elderly Falun Gong Adherent Dies on the Day Chinese Police Kidnapped Her

‘An Unprecedented Evil Persecution’—Chapter Fifteen: Inattention to the Killing of Falun Gong for Their Organs

"An Unprecedented Evil Persecution"—Chapter Five: Falun Gong’s Influence on China’s Politics

'An Unprecedented Evil Persecution'—Chapter Four: Falun Gong Is Not a Cult

US Lawmakers Call for End to 20 Year Long Persecution of Falun Gong

Incriminating Phone Calls: Doctors Admit to Live Harvesting of Falun Gong Adherents’ Organs in China

The Kingdom of Fake News: A Study of Beijing’s Propaganda Campaign Against Falun Gong

In 2019, the Chinese Regime Is Restructuring the Way It Handles Falun Gong

‘America Needs to Lead the World’ in Ending the Persecution of Falun Gong: Pompeo

Suppressing Faith, China Sentences Over 674 Falun Gong Practitioners in 1st Half of 2021

Chinese Regime Raids Homes, Detains Falun Gong Practitioners Ahead of Centenary

Young mom beats breast cancer with qigong exercises, gives birth to third child

Thousands of Falun Gong Practitioners March Across Manhattan to Showcase Hope and Resilience

Los Angeles Rally Calls for End to Falun Gong Persecution in Hong Kong
 

JonC

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Epoch Times:

Hong Kong Falun Gong Practitioners Demand Apology Over Pro-Beijing Outlet Propaganda

Despite Pandemic, Beijing Continues to Persecute Falun Gong Practitioners, Leaked Document Shows

Vandals in Hong Kong Attack Falun Gong Information Boards

Crimes against humanity: China’s genocide of Uyghurs and Falun Gong adherents

Over 15,000 Falun Gong Practitioners Persecuted by Chinese Regime in 2020: Report

Justice for Falun Gong Should be a Priority, Says Former Justice Minister

Australian Politicians Join Online Rally Condemning Beijing’s 21-year Persecution of Falun Gong

Falun Gong Adherents in Hong Kong Worry That Beijing's Security Law Could Threaten Religious Freedom

China's Courts Continue to Punish Falun Gong Adherents for Their Faith

636 Falun Gong Practitioners Arrested in September

Assault Against Falun Gong Practitioner in Hong Kong Prompts Peaceful Protest in San Francisco

NBC Journalists Distort, Malign Falun Gong to Strengthen Attack on Rival Media

Falun Gong Practitioners in Hong Kong Mark 20th Year of Persecution in China

Melbourne Community Leaders Stand With Falun Gong Practitioners to End 20-Year Persecution

US Lawmakers Call for End to 20 Year Long Persecution of Falun Gong

Bait-and-Switch: The Truth Behind Falun Gong’s April 25 Mass Appeal in Beijing

Sentenced Rights Lawyer Was Among First to Stand Up for Falun Gong

Capitol Hill Rally Calls for End to Persecution of Falun Gong

New York Falun Gong Practitioners Commemorate Anniversary of Peaceful Protest in China

Purveyors of Hate Chase Falun Gong in New York

Direct From China: 15 Accounts of Persecution of Falun Gong

Why Some Chinese Police Have Change of Heart About Falun Gong Persecution

International Efforts to Stop Forced Organ Harvesting From Falun Gong in China

At NYC Lunar New Year Parade, Falun Gong Adherents Have Message for the World

DC Rally Urges ‘Aggressive Actions’ by Congress to End CCP's Forced Organ Harvesting of Falun Gong Practitioners
 

JonC

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Epoch Times:

'Faith Through Difficult Times': Falun Gong Practitioner Tells His Story to Raise Awareness of the Dangers of Communism

Canadian MPs, Falun Gong Adherents Celebrate 30th Anniversary of Introduction of Spiritual Practice to the Public

US Government Should Get Tougher on CCP Crimes Against Falun Gong

PART 1: China’s Communist Leaders Are ‘Traffickers’ Selling Human Organs—Robert Destro on ‘Genocides’ of Uyghurs, Falun Gong

Chinese State Media Orders US Workers to Maintain ‘Political Purity,’ Not Practice Falun Gong: Internal Document

Persecution of Falun Gong Is in Effect Genocide: Former US Official

‘We Must Speak Out’: Australian Leaders Call for End of 22 Year Falun Gong Persecution

Falun Gong Practitioners Gather in LA for Vigil Marking 22 Years of Persecution in China

Hundreds Join Toronto Parade Marking 22 Years of Falun Gong Persecution in China

Toronto Vigil: Falun Gong Adherents Mourn 22 Years of Persecution by Communist China

US Lawmaker Calls on Chinese Regime to Free Detained Relative of Falun Gong Adherents

Falun Gong Adherents Celebrate Faith Around the Globe, Stand Up to Communist China's Persecution

Bay Area Falun Gong practitioners held a rally in front of the Ferry Building

Beijing Targets Falun Gong Refugees in US, Tracking Their Whereabouts

Falun Gong Adherent Dies While Imprisoned in China for Her Beliefs

After Two Decades in Chinese Prison, Falun Gong Adherent Sentenced to Two More Years

Chinese Falun Gong Practitioner Forcibly Held in Coronavirus Quarantine After Torture

Report: Top Chinese Doctors Admit to Harvesting Organs From Falun Gong Practitioners

Chinese Consulate Tried to Exclude Falun Gong From Perth Christmas Parade, Coordinator Says
 

JonC

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Is there a religious agenda here? Yes - Epoch Times is an apologetic for Falun Gong.

These articles were from Epoich Times, on their website. These are from the first 3 1/2 pages promoting and defending the cult. There are currently 292 pages (30 articles per page).

That's 8,760 articles. Don't worry, I'm not going to post them all here. ;)

I just wanted to make a point.

Christians need to discern. A Christian has no business subscribing to the Epoch Times, the Mormon Times, The Watchtower....or to Playboy even if you just read the articles.
 

Wingman68

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Let myself get snagged by the cannot put on ignore a moderator rule. I’m not a slow learner…and I know, probably better than anyone here, not to engage……so……I’ll try to do better.
 

JonC

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I certainly do not subscribe to the to Epoch Times because of this. But it being anti CCP.
Lol......that just reminded me of "I read Playboy for the articles".

On a serious note, I believe we have to be careful about what we support and what we allow in our lives.

The Mormon Times encourages conservative values, spending time with family, ect. I believe in those things. But I cannot support the Mormon Times.
 

JonC

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Let myself get snagged by the cannot put on ignore a moderator rule. I’m not a slow learner…and I know, probably better than anyone here, not to engage……so……I’ll try to do better.
Why? You are the one who criticized me for calling Falun Gong a cult in my response to Salty.

That isn't being snagged.

Either you believe Falun a cult or you don't.

If you do then you made a mistake in your post and should just say "oops my bad".

If you don't then stand by your post.

Doesn't have anything to do with ignoring me. I just disagreed with your post criticizing me for calling Falun Gong a cult.
Even Wiki doesn’t refer to them as a cult………but Jon does
 
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